Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 17:02:56 06/19/03
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On June 19, 2003 at 18:19:58, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >On June 19, 2003 at 18:01:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 19, 2003 at 17:17:15, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >> >>>On June 19, 2003 at 16:43:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>I take the comment as what I said. The original position 2 had 8 pieces. He >>>>complained about the evaluation. Even taking three pawns off it _still_ was >>>>wrong. >>> >>>What in the WORLD are you talking about?? What article are you referring to? I'm >>>going to this URL, which is at the top of this thread: >>> >>>http://www.clubkasparov.ru/521772350.html?462691585533321 >>> >>>What do you mean, "original position 2"? Has the article changed? >> >>"original position 2": the position given in the article. >> >>"modified position 2": the position you get if you "remove three pawns >>as suggested by the author." >> >>Was that too hard to understand??? >> >> >> >>>? Because the >>>current position 2 has 7 pieces (not 8) and if you take the pawns off (for what >>>reason?), you're left with KB vs. KB, which you'd think Junior and Fritz would >>>evaluate as a draw, and the couple sentences of discussion about it don't talk >>>about databases at ALL. >>> >>>-Tom >> >> >>On the other hand, you are correct. I meant position 1. Not position 2. >> >>So in the above replace 2 with 1 in both places. And we are back to the >>point. Removing three of the pawns produces a bogus evaluation. Because >>the tables were _not_ working. He _should_ have known that before writing >>an article and publishing it. >> >>If you remove three pawns, it will be in the 5 piece tables. If he really >>had them. He implied he did. But he didn't. And that leaves out the fact >>that _some_ programs can get this one right without tables, even with the >>original 8 pieces on the board. Mine can, for example. >> >>There is little excuse for saying something doesn't work, when it doesn't >>work because of a user error. Publishing it is even worse. > >I think it's not optimal. It seems like he should have thought twice when his >5-man databases didn't give him the solution to a 5-man position. One can argue >that his complaints are legitimate because the programs gave him the impression >that the databases were installed when they weren't. One thing that should be kept in mind about GM Shipov's misimpression havin all the 5-man EGTBs is that advertising for chess programs foster this impression with ambiguity. They claim their program comes with 5-man EGTBs, but neglect to say they don't come with all of them. A lot of people fall for this and I remember once going through a lot of trouble a long time ago in sorting this out about a particular chess program. An understandable error. > >I've always agreed with that point though. > >Now that you've dropped your assertion that the guy is an idiot because he >wasn't counting kings as pieces in his 5-man positions, it seems like this has >been discussed to conclusion. > >-Tom
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