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Subject: Re: Ooops

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 18:26:50 06/19/03

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On June 19, 2003 at 16:36:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 19, 2003 at 01:59:13, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On June 19, 2003 at 00:22:38, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2003 at 22:59:49, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 20:25:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 13:35:08, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 17, 2003 at 20:44:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm not sure how Stobor would do vs. Crafty right now, as I haven't really
>>>>>>>>worked hard on my program for several years now, but Stobor has been stronger
>>>>>>>>than Crafty in the past so don't be so sure that Bob is more "clever" than me in
>>>>>>>>that regard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We only count reality, not dreams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ha ha, that's a lame dream, to have a program stronger than Crafty. My dream is
>>>>>>to have a program stronger than Shredder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You have to pass crafty first, along the way.  I'm knowledgable enough to know
>>>>>my program isn't stronger than Fritz, etc.  I also know enough to know Stobor
>>>>>has _never_ been stronger than crafty, nor even as strong.  Yes you might
>>>>>have won a game here and there.  But pick any 10 consecutive games you want.
>>>>>
>>>>>ICC has only 4 such games in its database.  Crafty won two and drew two.  No
>>>>>losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would not write checks _my_ program can't cash.  You shouldn't either.
>>>>
>>>>10 consecutive games? Okay. How about games 11 to 20 when you do a "search
>>>>crafty kerrigan" on ICC? I scored 55%.
>>>>
>>>>Funny thing is, my hardware has always been much slower than yours, too.
>>>>
>>>>Should I also say something inane about check cashing?
>>>>
>>>>-Tom
>>>
>>>Games on ICC cannot prove that program X is better than program Y.
>>
>>No need to have another endless debate about what it takes to prove that program
>>X is better than Y. Bob's terms were 10 games and I gave him 10 games.
>
>If you think that proves superiority, you are sadly mistaken.  See my other
>post that shows that of the 30 10=game samples over that 39 game population,
>you won 2, three were equal, and you lost 25.
>
>I wouldn't count my superiority if I were you.

Since we don't know what hardware the respective programs were running on,
nothing can be inferred either way about the programs.

>
>
>>
>>>I think that it may be more interesting if there was a date when latest public
>>>Stobor could do better than latest public Crafty(not only in matches between it
>>>and crafty but also against other opponents).
>>
>>That'll be hard because there has never been a public version of Stobor. I've
>>given copies to people I trusted under special circumstances and it seems that
>>one of those got leaked somehow. I'm pretty disappointed about that. Who knows
>>what's going on with that version, but I wouldn't read much into its results.
>>
>>-Tom



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