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Subject: Re: Why I rarely visit the CCC

Author: Marc van Hal

Date: 13:06:08 07/03/03

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On July 03, 2003 at 01:11:18, Chris Kantack wrote:

>A few days ago I posted a few quick comments on my opinion of the Deep Sjeng
>chess program.  I've been really disappointed with the program and was
>interested in getting other opinions.  I knew this message forum had a lot of
>"hard core" chess hackers.  A posting here, I knew would give me some feedback
>from those with a very different point-of-view than my own.
>
>Indeed, a few of you had extremely good postings which I found most informative
>and useful.
>
>Most of the feedback was downright vicious.  Unfortunately a characteristic I
>see too often in Computer Chess Club (CCC)postings.
>
>In the past, as I come across people (in other parts of the 'net) asking
>questions regarding AMD Opteron vs. Itanium, multiprocessor chess engine issues,
>and/or other "high-end" chess engine questions, I've often recommended that they
>visit the CCC.
>
>However, I do so with reservations.   Far too often I see many members in this
>newsgroup do their best to ridicule a new poster or discount anyone who doesn't
>have the latest and greatest chess engine/processor combination.
>
>In my opinion, this discussion forum is in danger of devolving into just a small
>group of hard-core, hacking, curmudgeons.  Not a very pleasent place to be.
>
>It's too bad too.   This message board has been a great source of information
>containing discussions you won't find anywhere else on the 'Net.  But far too
>often, the acrimony that is so prevalent, destroys the experience.  (Indeed I've
>talked with others, in the chess computer community, who have long abandoned
>coming to this message forum because of similar experiences.)
>
>Some of you will no doubt say: "If you can't take the heat, get of the kitchen."
>Indeed, I often leave the CCC for months at a time in disgust at what transpires
>here.   Perhaps one day I will leave for good.
>
>But why does it have to be this way?   Why not treat new posters and other
>casual visitors with a little respect?  The CCC could really grow if more of its
>members would show a little courtesy.
>
>I'm a regular reader and poster to rec.games.chess.computer (an unmoderated
>newsgroup).  Yet I find rec.games.chess.computer to be a far more civil and
>welcoming community than the CCC!
>
>Once again I've decided to take a few months off from even visiting this message
>board.  This message forum has the potential to be one heck of a great place to
>visit. If only more of its posters could show a little civility.....
>
>
>Chris Kantack
>http://home.earthlink.net/~kantack/lcdchess/home.htm


I tried to give you advice, though I considered your posting as a troll.

But about the forum
It's true not many people love honest fights here.
They always prefer cheating.
And never will play an open game with you.
Using several names when they want to make an attack
(Often very childish)
And simply don't listen to what you said.
You always have to think for both sides
What if a person would say that to me?
Or about me?
Is something he says perhaps true?
Or is something you said perhaps not totally true.
To jump to the right conclusions.

And when they think they can't win the fight
With cheating
They start to ignore you.

Now I ask you.
Who are the really strong personalities here?
According to me.

The people who always say what they really think.
No matter if it can make them unpopular
But always act according their well thought out believes.
Without using different names.

Everyone who acts different is weak.
Just following the herd.
Living in a lie.
And being proud of it.

Persons who are jealous on people like  Bill Gates.
And even that is something they make lies about.
Or it is bad when he does it and ok when you do it.
That is what they call hypocrisy.

Marc



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