Author: Michael P. Nance Sr.
Date: 08:39:38 07/17/03
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On July 17, 2003 at 08:33:54, George Tsavdaris wrote: >On July 17, 2003 at 07:39:49, David H. McClain wrote: > >>I agree with GM Yates and Uri. >> >>Chessbase needs to find some "new blood" for these matches, people like Polgar >>or Radjabov or even Ponamariov. Offer them the money and let them be creative >>in their own way, win or lose. Let chessbase tune their programs any way they >>want to play these new players. In my opinion a match like this would be of >>much more interest than a forgone conclusion as to what Kasparov will do: more >>afraid of losing than wanting to win. The money should be assessed more to the >>advantage of the winner, not ~ $600,000 if you lose or draw then the incentive >>to win will be there. How seriously can you interpret a match and the analysis >>afterwards when you make over half a million dollars to draw it? I am not >>downing Kasparov's skills at all, just his methods and his incentive. >> >>If any of these super GMs played any program that was strictly bought "off the >>shelf" and not specially tuned by their programmers running on 8 processors the >>GMs would win "hands down." >>To give the names of Shredder, Junior, Hiarcs and Fritz to the same programs >that played the GMs and insinuate this is what the public buys is deceiving. >They are no more the same program than a Volkswagon >>is a Porsche 911. > >I think this is wrong. From what a "program" consist of? The opening book, >the engine and the hardware. If we take a new CD, Fritz 8 for example >then we have the engine and a rather good opening book(Junior's 8 is the >same that played with Kasparov) and we can run this in any hardware we want. >So if we have a PIV 2.4GHz and up, i think that the top GM's would have more >possibilities to win, but not with hands down. > >>Chessmaster would be crucified by these super GMs in any configuration at >>40/120. > >It would lose but not crushed if it run on a todays computer. >But if it run on a hypothetical PXII 5570 GHz? Then it would crush the GM's. >So it's not Chessmaster it's worst but CM + hardware. And CM9000 is capable >with a "super" hardware to win all top GM's. The only thing we need, is to be >patient. >I see many people (IM's) in my country and in other countries inside internet, >that hate Fritz/Junior/CM.... because they lose terribly by them, and say >programs are stupid, don't know chess, don't plan... and i really don't >understand them. They can't accept the fact that chess-engines one day will be >invincible by all humans in the game of chess.I'm sure these days will come >before 2009. We'll see. > >>The "off the shelf" programs are too predictable. There are many >>examples of this in the archives of ICC.com and very few, if any, were played >>against super GMs @ 40/120. > >>To prove this bring what you have and offer a super GM on ICC.com the money to >>play him @ 40/120 and see what happens. With this Opteron technology that date isn't far off.
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