Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 09:34:38 08/18/03
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On August 18, 2003 at 10:03:09, Jason Michael Rogers wrote: >On August 16, 2003 at 19:23:23, Aaron Gordon wrote: > >>On August 16, 2003 at 18:52:44, Jason Michael Rogers wrote: >> >>>On August 15, 2003 at 18:10:17, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>> >>>>On August 15, 2003 at 16:27:54, William Penn wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have had a 500MHz Celeron/256MB system for quite a few years. I just bought a >>>>>new 2.6GHz Celeron/512MB computer and was expecting my chess software to run >>>>>about 5X faster. It doesn't!? After considerable comparisons and benchmarking, >>>>>it's clear that it runs about 2.2X faster. My tests & benchmarks are based on >>>>>kN/s in infinite analysis mode using various practical chess positions and the >>>>>Shredder 7.04 UCI engine in the CB GUI. >>>>> >>>>>What is the most important single other factor (besides processor speed) that >>>>>would increase the speed of this engine in terms of kN/s? I'm sure that more RAM >>>>>wouldn't do very much. Is it "BUS speed", or "memory speed", or "processor cache >>>>>size", or "processor type", or what? I'm not interested in minor factors, just >>>>>the most important one. >>>>>WP >>>> >>>>This is what Intel counts on, people only looking at the MHz. Unfortunately you >>>>got stiffed by Intel. Lots of benchmarks show the Celeron 2.2 overclocked to >>>>well over 3GHz losing to a Duron 1.2GHz in most things, which should scale to >>>>about what you have been seeing. >>>> >>>>The Pentium 4 is the same way (just not as bad). The best bet would be to get a >>>>2800+ Athlon XP chip (if you don't want to overclock) as its the fastest MHz >>>>wise (2250MHz) of any of the Athlons for chess, and faster than any of the P4s >>>>out today for chess as well. If you'd prefer lots of speed and some >>>>overclocking, try one of my 2.4-2.5GHz Athlon XP pretested chips.. They'll put >>>>you up near P4-4GHz speed chess-wise and blow a P4-3.2 out of the water at >>>>everything else. >>>> >>>>I've already done the tests vs a P4-2.53 @ 3.32GHz in multiple applications >>>>(divx, mp3 encoding, compiling, encryption/decryption, sciencemark, chess, etc), >>>>the P4-3.32 lost by a significant ammount in most of the tests. Plus, at $79 for >>>>the 2.4GHz Athlon XP (3200-3400+ IMO) isn't bad at all.. >>>> >>>>Here are some chess benchmarks: >>>>http://www.newageoc.com/crafty/bench.html >>>> >>>>Note: I don't have any freon-cooled Athlon systems tested yet (at 3.4GHz), so >>>>that would beat the P4-4GHz w/ HT by quite a bit. The top Athlon on there is the >>>>2.5GHz and that is AIR cooled. The top P4 is FREON (-50 celsius) cooled. >>>> >>>>You can see from here the 2.2GHz Athlon (Athlon XP 2800+ is 50MHz faster) beats >>>>a P4-3.25GHz. Celeron 1GHz (p3 core) is faster than a Pentium 4 1.5GHz, and an >>>>Athlon XP 1.86GHz (about like a 2200+) is almost equal to a P4-3GHz. Even the >>>>Pentium 3 1.12GHz beats a P4-1.6GHz. Good job Intel. :) >>>> >>>>Intel has it pretty sweet, though. Only company I know that can produce a >>>>product sigificantly worse than the last one and charge people 4-5 times more >>>>and have people actually buy it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Do you care to qualify that statement about the P4 being "worse" than the P3? >>>You make alot of very confident assertions about speed and performance, but you >>>don't back it up with any techical specification comparisons or bench test >>>results. For example, why is 2.4-2.5GHz Athlon "up near P4-4GHz speed >>>chess-wise"?. >> >>Did you bother looking at my results page? >>http://www.newageoc.com/crafty/bench.html >> >>The P4 is 'worse' MHz for MHz than a Pentium 3. Ask any of the people that know >>anything about processors. The P4 was designed to have an extremely low IPC >>(instructions per cycle) and small L1 caches to scale the MHz way up. If you >>feel it necessary, go test a 1GHz P3 or Celeron vs a Pentium 4 1.5GHz. You'll be >>surprised at what you find... > >Again you avoid my questions and continue with more of the same drivel! I will >repeat the question so it sinks into your head this time. > >"Do you care to qualify that statement about the P4 being "worse" than the P3? >You make alot of very confident assertions about speed and performance, but you >don't back it up with any techical specification comparisons or bench test >results. For example, why is 2.4-2.5GHz Athlon "up near P4-4GHz speed >chess-wise"?." If you need details, read here: http://www.newageoc.com/old/p4sucks.html If that doesn't answer your question go email an Intel engineer. > >>> >>>> >>>>My recommendation is take it back and build an Nforce2 based Athlon XP 2800+ >>>>system. If you'd like to save a little money and get some extra speed, head over >>>>to www.newageoc.com. If you don't know how to overclock I can manually 'lock' >>>>the chip at 2.4GHz that way you don't need to do anything but drop in the chip >>>>and put on the heatsink. :)
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