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Subject: Re: Christian Kongsted's book

Author: Peter McKenzie

Date: 16:45:40 08/22/03

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On August 22, 2003 at 05:31:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 22, 2003 at 04:53:11, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On August 22, 2003 at 04:43:52, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>Maybe there is a misunderstanding.
>>>I did not mean to say that it is statistically significant when I said
>>>evidence.
>>
>>There's a difference between an indication and evidence.
>
>Ok
>
>I will use the word indication later.
>
>I thought that the meaning of evidence is different.
>
>There are cases when a person is considered to be not quilty of a crime because
>the evidence against him is not enough(I hope that I do not do wrong translation
>from hebrew to english).
>
>I know that statistics is not used for these decisions but free generalization
>of the meaning of evidence led me to believe that it means indication that
>program A is better than B.
>
>>
>>>The point is that even if the data is not statistically significant it suggests
>>>something
>>
>>That is true.
>>
>>>and I do not think that it is right to ignore the data only because
>>>of the fact that it is not statistically significant.
>>
>>I think it is. (I don't use a hard threshold obviously, but I do
>>need a strong indication it wasn't just luck.)
>>
>>>I know that there are programmers who do not do it
>>>see
>>>http://www.f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/52921.htm
>>>for comparison that he used to decide that the change is not productive
>>>see
>>>http://www.innconx.com/~wildcat/279.html
>>>http://www.innconx.com/~wildcat/282.html
>>>
>>>282 scored one point more than 279 but the programmer decided not to accept the
>>>change.
>>
>>If I look at that, I conclude that it's either not making a difference
>>or the difference is too small to worry about.
>
>The point is that if I have to choose which version to use in a tournament I
>tend to choose 282 and not 279.
>
>I agree that the difference is very small and may be even to the opposite
>direction than the direction that I guess.
>>
>>>Of course the difference is too small to get significant results but there is a
>>>basis to give bigger probability to the event that 282 is better and not to the
>>>event that 279 is better.
>>
>>It's way to small to make a decision on.
>
>I see no reason not to make a decision to use 282
>Using 279 is also a decision and using 282 seems to me slightly better decision.

good post

>
>Uri



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