Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 11:51:29 11/02/98
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On November 02, 1998 at 12:30:32, blass uri wrote:
>
>On November 02, 1998 at 12:15:56, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 02, 1998 at 01:30:36, Reynolds Takata wrote:
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>>>On November 02, 1998 at 00:10:45, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 01, 1998 at 20:57:46, Reynolds Takata wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 01, 1998 at 14:12:22, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think that on the tactical sde, there is no on like Fritz 5!
>>>>>>The following pos. is a nice illustration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>r4r1k/2q2ppp/1np1b3/p1b1pNB1/2B1P3/8/PPP1Q1PP/3R1R1K w - - 0 19
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The winning move is Nxg7!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On a AMD k6 200
>>>>>>J5: Not found in 5 minutes
>>>>>>F5: Found in 55 sec.
>>>>>>H6: Not found in 5 minutes
>>>>>>Crafty 15.20: Not found i 5 minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Torstein
>>>>>
>>>>>Chessmaster is the strongest program tactically, and if you check the Louguet
>>>>>suite on the combinative portion chessmaster will outscore any other program.
>>>>
>>>>You should take the LCT test with a grain of salt. It is very easy to have a
>>>>huge score in the combinational part by increasing recapture and check
>>>>extensions.
>>>>
>>>>But this weakens the overall program strength, as it is the case with
>>>>ChessMaster.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christophe
>>>
>>>Weakens? Chess master is a monster and the strongest combinatively. I'm a
>>>master(USCF 2249) and i own all of the top programs except tiger and mchess. CM
>>>has all other programs beat when it comes to the majority of combinations. CM
>>>is going to win the Komputer Kup tourney, on the Shep's Computer chess site it's
>>>won more tournaments run there than any other program. The only reason i think
>>>it didn't do as well in the Mclane's tourney i believe is do to some sort of
>>>hardware conflict there. This because he kept reporting CM crashing, when i
>>>have had CM a long time and never had a crash. CM is in the same category as
>>>far as strength is concerned as any of the top programs and stronger than the
>>>majority. The thing that is so good about chessmaster is that it's actually
>>>trying to win, ALL the other programs will gladly concede to a draw if you want
>>>one, but not chessmaster, it's motto is "OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!". Many people want
>>>to charge the programs with making positional mistakes, the master understands
>>>that positional weaknesses are a necessary part of the game if you really want
>>>to win. Chess is about give and take. The trick is to be the first to make use
>>>of the weaknesses and chessmaster seeks the initiative so hard it usually gets
>>>there first.
>>
>>I'm not sure I can argue with you, as you give only subjective reasons.
>>
>>You love ChessMaster's playing style, well, ok.
>>
>>But if you take a look at the SSDF list
>>(http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-36794/ssdf/nr000.htm), you will see that CM5000 is
>>not in the top pack.
>>
>>It has been tested on Pentium 90. If you take the other programs running on P90
>>(of course I don't want to compare programs on unequal hardware), you'll see
>>that there are 3 of them that are more than 50 elo points stronger.
>>
>>Even Hiarcs 4 and Rebel 7 (old programs) play better.
>>
>>And the list of programs tested on P90 does not even include the latest versions
>>of Fritz, Junior and Nimzo.
>>
>>So I would say that, yes, CM5000 is a good program, but, no, it is not the best.
>>
>>You may be impressed by the combinations it finds, but even in combinations
>>there are better programs.
>>
>>And if you want a very agressive opponent, maybe you'll love Chess System Tal.
>
>1)CM5000 is not the newest chessmaster and the newest chessmaster is
>chessmaster6000.
>2) It was claimed that chessmaster earn more from fast hardware than other
>programs(I do not know if it is truth).
>
>Uri
It is very easy to claim something like that. When your program is not the best,
just claim it is the best when you run it on next year's computers.
It gives you one year to build a better version... If you can.
Christophe
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