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Subject: Re: A strange position. Does your engine see the victory?

Author: Anthony Cozzie

Date: 08:49:13 09/05/03

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On September 05, 2003 at 11:39:33, Andrey Popov wrote:

>On September 05, 2003 at 11:02:07, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 2003 at 10:51:03, Andrey Popov wrote:
>>
>>>Look at the following position:
>>>[D]6k1/3qppP1/b3p3/Pp1pP1PN/1PpP4/2P5/8/1BK5 w - - 0 1
>>>Does your engine see the victory?
>>
>>Chessmaster 9000, on a P4-2.4, needs a little over 2 minutes to see the win:
>>
>I see. 2 minutes and only 9 plies.
>However, Ruffian (the same strength) could not get the positive score during
>this time. What is the reason of this strange difference?
>See the Ruffian log:
>  6k1/3qppP1/b3p3/Pp1pP1PN/1PpP4/2P5/8/1BK5 w - -
>  Depth   Time  Score    Best line
>  13/28   1.24  -3.37    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Ke3 Qc8 Kf4 Qd7 Bf3 f5 gxf6
>                         exf6
>  13-->   1.37  -3.37    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Ke3 Qc8 Kf4 Qd7 Bf3 f5 gxf6
>                         exf6
>  14/28   2.18  -3.40    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8 g6 Qe8 gxf7+ Qxf7
>                         Bd1 Qf5 Be2 Qg5+ Kc2
>  14-->   2.46  -3.40    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8 g6 Qe8 gxf7+ Qxf7
>                         Bd1 Qf5 Be2 Qg5+ Kc2
>  15/29   3.71  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8 Bd1 Qd7 Bc2 f5 gxf6
>                         Qe8 Nf4 exf6 exf6 Qf7
>  15-->   4.00  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8 Bd1 Qd7 Bc2 f5 gxf6
>                         Qe8 Nf4 exf6 exf6 Qf7
>  16/35   6.52  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8 Bd1 Qd7 Bc2 f5 gxf6
>                         Qe8 Nf4 exf6 exf6 Qf7
>  16-->   7.06  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Kd2 Qe8 Bd1 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8 Bd1 Qd7 Bc2 f5 gxf6
>                         Qe8 Nf4 exf6 exf6 Qf7
>  17/36  31.74  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Bd1 Qe8 Kd2 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8
>  17-->  32.68  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Bd1 Qe8 Kd2 Qd8 Bc2 Qc8
>  18/42   1:07  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Bd1 Qe8 Kd2 Qd8 Ke3 Qc8 Kf4 Qd7 Ke3 Qc6 Kd2
>                         Qc8 Bc2 Qe8
>  18-->   1:12  -3.31    Bc2 Qc6 Bd1 Qe8 Kd2 Qd8 Ke3 Qc8 Kf4 Qd7 Ke3 Qc6 Kd2
>                         Qc8 Bc2 Qe8
>  19/42   1:53     --    Bc2
>  19/43   3:28  -3.88    Bc2 Bc8 Bd1 Qd8 Kd2 Bd7 Bg4 Be8 Ke2 f5 exf6 Bxh5
>                         Bxh5 exf6 gxf6 Qxf6 Be8 Kxg7 Bxb5 e5
>  19-->   3:43  -3.88    Bc2 Bc8 Bd1 Qd8 Kd2 Bd7 Bg4 Be8 Ke2 f5 exf6 Bxh5
>                         Bxh5 exf6 gxf6 Qxf6 Be8 Kxg7 Bxb5 e5
>  20/43   4:26     --    Bc2
>  20/45   8:05  -4.31    Bc2 Qd8 Bd1 Bc8 Kd2 Bd7 Bg4 Be8 Ke2 f5 exf6 Bxh5
>                         Bxh5 exf6 gxf6 Qxf6
>  20/45   9:46   x.xx    Kd2
>
>>
>>Chessmaster 9000, on a P4-2.4, needs a little over 2 minutes to see the win:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/8	-5.65	44032		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Bc2 Qd8 4.g6
>>					f5 5.Nf4
>>0:00	2/9	-5.65	57399		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Bc2 Qd8 4.g6
>>					f5 5.Nf4
>>0:00	3/10	-5.55	121321		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Bc2 Qd8 4.g6
>>					f5 5.Nf4 Qc8
>>0:01	4/11	-5.60	237325		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Kd2 Qa8 4.Be2
>>					Qe8 5.Bg4 Qb8 6.g6
>>0:02	5/12	-5.52	590781		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Kd2 Qa8 4.Bg4
>>					Qc6 5.Ke3 Qc8 6.Nf4 Qa8
>>0:04	6/13	-5.56	1254718		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Kd2 Qa8 4.Bg4
>>					Qc6 5.Ke3 Qc8 6.Kd2 Qd8 7.Nf4
>>0:15	7/14	-5.45	3909511		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Kd2 Qa8 4.Bg4
>>					Kh7 5.Ke3 Bb7 6.Kf3 Bc6 7.Kf2 Kg8
>>					8.Bf3
>>0:36	8/15	-5.46	8880617		1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Kd2 Qa8 4.Bg4
>>					Kh7 5.Ke3 Bb7 6.Be2 Kg8 7.Kd2 Bc6
>>					8.Bf3
>>1:58	9/16	-5.35	28593195	1.Bc2 Qe8 2.Bd1 Qc8 3.Kd2 Qa8 4.Bg4
>>					Kh7 5.Ke3 Qc6 6.Be2 Kg8 7.Bg4 Qc8
>>					8.Kd2 Qa8
>>2:17	9/16	4.09	35256466	1.Nf6+ exf6 2.gxf6 Qe8 3.Kd2 Qd8
>>					4.Ke3 Qxa5 5.bxa5 b4 6.cxb4 Bb5
>>					7.Kd2 Ba6 8.Bc2 Bb5 9.Kc3 Ba6
>>2:21	10/17	4.89	36413121	1.Nf6+ exf6 2.gxf6 Qe8 3.Kd2 Qd8
>>					4.Ke3 Qxf6 5.exf6 Bc8 6.Kf4 Bb7
>>					7.Kg5 e5 8.dxe5 d4 9.cxd4 c3 10.Bc2
>>2:51	11/18	5.27	48709448	1.Nf6+ exf6 2.gxf6 Qe8 3.Kd2 Qb8
>>					4.Ke3 Qxe5+ 5.dxe5 Bb7 6.Kd4 Bc6
>>					7.Kc5 Ba8 8.Kxb5 Bb7 9.Kb6 Ba8
>>					10.b5 d4 11.Ka7
>>
>>jm

the position is a null move killer.

anthony



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