Author: Tord Romstad
Date: 02:21:44 09/21/03
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On September 21, 2003 at 04:33:26, Edward Seid wrote: >On September 21, 2003 at 04:25:17, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>It is by no means clear to me that BB's are more efficient than other >>approaches, while those other approaches are more adaptable to other games in a >>efficient way. I would prefer to retain the option as much as *reasonably* >>possible. > >Just curious... have you tried programming any other games? My friend who plays >Shogi says that all the Shogi programs kinda suck. Claiming that all the shogi programs suck is an exaggeration, I think. The best programs should be able to easily beat most human tournament players, and are probably around master level. There are two main reasons why shogi is a more difficult game to program than chess. The most important one is that material has much less importance than in chess, which makes it very difficult to write a good evaluation function. The second one is that the branching factor is considerably higher. But still, the shogi programs are constantly improving. The techniques used in computer chess are usually effective in shogi as well. I expect that the best shogi programs should be able to compete with the best human players within 10-20 years, if processor speeds continue to improve. >And I think Go programs suck even worse than that. They do. The difficulties are basically the same as in shogi, but they are much worse. Unless there is some major breakthrough in software, I don't expect to see any master-level go program in the near future. Hardware improvements will not be enough. >I dunno anything about Chinese Chess, so I can't comment. Neither do I, but I guess the complexity is comparable to western chess. >It seems to me that if a programmer were seeking to make a mark in the game >engine world, he'd stand a better chance by writing a program for one of these >other games, not chess. You may be right. I would also guess that the competition is not as hard for the other games, and that it would be easier to make a top program there. Tord
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