Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:47:57 10/01/03
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On October 01, 2003 at 14:34:03, J Slominski wrote: >After 15 minutes of thought, Shredder 7.04 on AMD 700 32 Meg hash projects this >win for Black with analysis below. > >I do not yet know solution yet(don't post it please!) but looks like a beauty. >Note how coordinated whites pieces are and how scattered Blacks. Yes, white is >down a piece and some pawns..but my guess the trick is to use whites piece >coordination moving white King B/N for some sort of mate threat and then >underpromote and consolidate using the possible confined state of Blacks bishop >into the equation? I don't see solution yet myself but still looking. Heck if >Tal needs an hour it's probably pretty hairy. Clue is that human ingenuity is >involved...hmmm is this a 40 move solution with some staircase of White moves >gaining a tempo every 10 move pass or something?.... still working on this >now....Below is Shredder analysis after 15 minutes thought-it doesn't have a >clue yet at a depth of 16 ply gives BLACK a whopping 3.75 point advantage.More >soon. > >8/k3P3/p3K2n/1n3p2/1N4b1/1P1p1p2/8/4B3 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Shredder 7.04: > >1. -+ (-3.57): 1.Ke6-f6 Nh6-g8+ 2.Kf6-f7 Ng8xe7 3.Kf7xe7 Nb5-d4 4.Nb4xd3 Nd4xb3 >5.Be1-f2+ Ka7-b8 6.Nd3-c5 Nb3xc5 7.Bf2xc5 >2. -+ (-3.59): 1.e7-e8Q Nb5-c7+ 2.Ke6-e7 Nc7xe8 3.Ke7xe8 Bg4-h5+ 4.Ke8-e7 Bh5-f7 >5.Be1-f2+ Ka7-a8 6.Nb4xd3 Bf7xb3 >3. -+ (-4.32): 1.Nb4xd3 Bg4-h5 2.Ke6-d7 Nh6-g4 3.e7-e8Q Bh5xe8+ 4.Kd7xe8 Ka7-b6 >5.Be1-b4 Kb6-c6 6.Bb4-e1 Nb5-d6+ 7.Ke8-e7 >4. -+ (-4.45): 1.e7-e8R f5-f4+ 2.Ke6-f6 d3-d2 3.Be1-f2+ Ka7-b7 4.Re8-d8 Nb5-c3 >5.Rd8xd2 Nc3-e4+ 6.Kf6-g6 Ne4xd2 > >(Slominski, Papillion Nebraska 01.10.2003) Why do you ask shredder to calculate exact score for the second best and the third best? It means that its job is harder because usually programs do not calculate exact score for second best move. I am almost sure that shredder needs more time because of your way of analysis and if it can find it in 100 hours then with your analysis it is going to find it maybe in 1000 hours. Uri Uri
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