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Subject: Re: New 80-bit Chess engine. Your opinion please - Pretty Low!

Author: martin fierz

Date: 05:30:27 10/16/03

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On October 16, 2003 at 07:58:55, David Dory wrote:

>On October 16, 2003 at 07:03:52, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>incidentally i also once ordered a book on checkers from him, and i never
>>received it - although my credit card was duly charged for that book. i got a
>>lot of excuses, but no book, and no money back. i know some other people who
>>have a similar story to tell...
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>And thanks Martin, for passing the word on Axel S. One more guy to avoid doing
>any business with.
>
>I don't mind the "expansion" of the truth regarding his program - salesmen do
>that. But not being trustworthy with a customer is a huge red flag that makes me
>wonder "who's going to buy anything from him?".
>
>Not I.
>
>Dave

as gerd already pointed out, i was not talking about axel! i was talking about
the author of the gothic vortex engine. just adding this myself to make things
100% clear...

BTW, the gothic vortex is a coproduction of two authors, they also co-authored
that checkers program. the other author (gil dodgen) is selling the checkers
program, and i know of checkers players who bought that program and also
received it. so i'm not raising a huge red flag here. perhaps a tiny one though
:-) but based on what you call expansion of the truth. comparing a dedicated
game program of any kind with the zillions of games engine (which is a generic
2-player-strategy game engine, which you as user can modify) is quite
ridiculous. maybe common, but ridiculous.

as an aside, i once read a scientific paper on neural network checkers where the
NN program was compared (and it compared favorably) with a "commercial program"
which turned out to be a program for kids, probably weak on purpose so that the
kids wouldnt get frustrated...

caveat emptor!

cheers
  martin



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