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Subject: Re: Hiarcs? Are you sure? (Re: Will the real hiarcs6 please...)

Author: odell hall

Date: 08:55:57 11/09/98

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On November 09, 1998 at 07:47:58, Albert Silver wrote:

>On November 09, 1998 at 02:58:55, odell hall wrote:
>
>>Hi CCC
>>
>> A few days ago I posted a victory against hiarcs 6 at 40/2hrs, my uscf rating
>>is 1882. I Felt personally that something was wrong with my machine or hash
>>tables (cyrix233 16MB). A few of you responded that basically I was lucky
>>because i got hiarcs in an anti computer type of position. I was ready to write
>>off my victory as due to these very reasons, until I played hiarcs again
>>today!!. First let me say that Prior to purchasing hiarcs I basically trained
>>exlusively with the rebel programs. Out of the last three years and hundreds of
>>games I only mananaged One win! against rebel8 and no wins against rebel9!. Yet
>>I managed to defeat hiarcs once and draw in a won position without one week!!
>>Either hiarcs is an incredibly weak program or I have become a grandmaster
>>overnight. Let me say that I possess no bias at all against hiarcs in fact I
>>just one week ago praised the program all over the newgroups. The below game in
>>another upset, although I did not win this game(was a draw) the point is that a
>>1882 should never have gotten such a position against a sopposed 2500! Yet I
>>hear praise about hiarcs6 so-called positional play! 12..0-0-0 ?? was just
>>lousy. This game also illustrates how much I need to work on my own game as I
>>should have easily won this.
>>
>>
>>[Event "Match 2"]
>>[Site "OK City"]
>>[Date "1998.11.09"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Hiarcs6 P233 16MB"]
>>[Black "O.Hall Game/60"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[WhiteElo "2545"]
>>[BlackElo "1882"]
>>[ECO "A58"]
>>
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 g6 6. Nf3 Bxa6 7. Nc3 Bg7
>>8. e4 Bxf1 9. Rxf1 d6 10. Bg5 O-O 11. Qc2 Nbd7 12. O-O-O Qa5 13. Nd2 Rfb8
>>14. f3
>
>Though the score given is the same, my Hiarcs chooses 14.Nb3
>> Qb4 15. Nb3 c4 16. Nd4 Ne5 17. Nc6 Nd3+ 18. Rxd3 cxd3 19. Qd2 Qc4
>>20. Nxb8 Rxb8 21. Rd1
>
>My Hiarcs prefers 21.b3
>
>> Qb4 22. g4
>
>Again, I realize that my processor is faster (K6-2/350), but here it only goes
>for 22. g4 for 31 seconds then it goes for 22. f4 and after 3"16 it changes to
>22.Re1. At 40/2h I would have thought that yours would reach the same
>conclusion.
>
>> Nd7 23. f4 Nc5 24. e5 f6 25. Bh4 dxe5
>>26. Rf1
>
>Here, my Hiarcs agrees with yours but only after 3"20! Just the opposite of the
>previous note.
>
>> e4 27. Re1 f5 28. Bxe7 Qc4 29. Bxc5 Qxc5 30. Kd1
>
>Here it *never* chooses 30.Kd1 which it believes to be inferior to 30.gxf5
>
>> Rc8 31. gxf5 gxf5
>>32. Re3 Kh8 33. Rg3
>
>Again, my Hiarcs only prefers the text for 21 seconds opting then for 33. h3 and
>after 1"28 33. h4.
>
>> Bxc3 34. Qxc3+ Qxc3 35. bxc3 Rxc3 36. d6 Rc8 37. a4
>>Rd8 38. Rg5 e3 39. Rxf5 Rxd6 40. Re5 e2+ 41. Kd2 Kg7 42. a5 Kf6 43. a6
>>Rxa6 44. Kxd3 Ra3+ 45. Kxe2 Ra2+ 46. Ke3 Rxh2 1/2-1/2
>
>As you can see, it is difficult to comment on the strength of Hiarcs, as yours
>doesn't seem to be the same one I have. The inconsistencies are just too many.
>
>I published the results of the Hiarcs 6 module on my previous K6/233 on the
>Louguet II test some time ago. Try running yours through it and publish the
>results, I'll then put the ones I got then alongside and we can compare.
>
>                                Albert Silver




Hi, Albert



  Game two was not at 40/2 but rather Game in an hour!! Which is still a long
time control. I took komputer Korner's advice this time and set the style of
play on agressive! My processor and mother board are fine because I am getting
close to 100,000 nodes per second on rebel 10, with a benchmark of 2511, so I
know my computer is running fast. Maybe I don't have enough hash tables for my
hiarcs6 , also I might add I don't have the hiarcs module but the regular full
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