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Subject: Re: Leonid's very easy position is actually VERY DIFFICULT!

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 23:34:01 10/21/03

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On October 21, 2003 at 18:04:35, Matthew White wrote:

>On October 21, 2003 at 17:58:03, Matthew White wrote:
>
>>On October 21, 2003 at 14:09:10, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>[D] 2r1N2B/PP1RqP1Q/K2nnq1R/Npk3q1/3q1qQr/2qbbQ2/1P1Q3q/1q1B1Q2 w - -
>>>
>>>It's interesting to test this under Fritz8 GUI with 2,4 GHz PC:
>>>
>>>Fritz: no solution in 5 minutes (depth still 1 ply!)
>>>Yace: no solution in 5 minutes
>>>Ruffian: 26 seconds to bxc8R and 10x announcement
>>>Shredder: crash after 2 minutes (in shredder704.dll)!
>>>
>>>Finally the truth = analysis by ChestUCI Ver 2.6:
>>>
>>>1.Qxc3+ Qxc3 2.bxc8Q+ Nxc8 3.Qc6+ Kb4 4.Qxc3+ Qxc3 5.Bxc3+ Kc5 6.Nb3+ Kc6
>>>7.Rxe6+ Qed6 8.Rexd6+ Nxd6 9.a8Q+ Nb7 10.Qxb7#
>>>  +-  (#10)   Depth: 10   00:23:02
>>>1.bxc8R+ Nxc8 2.Qc6+ Kb4 3.Qcxc3+ Qxc3 4.Qxc3+ Qxc3 5.Bxc3+ Kc5 6.Nb3+ Kc6
>>>7.Rxe6+ Qed6 8.Rexd6+ Nxd6 9.a8Q+ Nb7 10.Qxb7#
>>>  +-  (#10)   Depth: 10   00:23:02
>>>1.bxc8Q+ Nxc8 2.Qc6+ Kb4 3.Qcxc3+ Qxc3 4.Qxc3+ Qxc3 5.Bxc3+ Kc5 6.Nb3+ Kc6
>>>7.Rxe6+ Qed6 8.Rexd6+ Nxd6 9.a8Q+ Nb7 10.Qxb7#
>>>  +-  (#10)   Depth: 10   00:23:02
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>Maybe the difficulty has to do with the fact that this is a technically illegal
>>position. It is impossible to have that many Queens on the board with any pawns
>>left.
>>
>>Just a guess.
>>
>>Matt
>
>I just realized that I can't count :).
>
>Please disregard the previous post.
>
>Matt

Consider these 3 facts:
1- White has double pawns.
2- for White to have double pawns, you must make a capture.
3- Black has all 16 men on the board.

Conclusion: Black would have to start with at least 17 men, therefore the
position must be illegal.






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