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Subject: Re: In chess we will reach diminishing returns just like in Checckers 1

Author: Anthony Cozzie

Date: 06:01:28 10/29/03

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On October 29, 2003 at 04:47:31, Daniel Clausen wrote:

>On October 29, 2003 at 03:15:23, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>"Experiments in Chinook show that there comes a point where increased search
>>depth provides diminishing returns."
>
>Many chess programmers agree that the search- and the eval- part of an engine
>have to be tuned so they work optimal together. (like you can throw out certain
>parts in the eval since they're now covered with a better/faster search etc)
>
>Now you take an engine, which is optimized for todays hardware to reach a
>certain depth in typical middlegame positions and make the experiment of
>increasing search depth. Why can't the effect of "diminishing returns" not be
>explained by the fact that search and eval are no longer working together
>optimal?
>
>It seems to me that in all these experiments which try to prove the effect of
>deminishing returns, the errors bars are bigger than the effect they want to
>prove.
>
>Sargon

One experiment that both Hyatt and Heinz did was to run their programs through a
"deep" (14 ply) search and record the frequency of new moves, that is, what % of
the time the program changed its mind.  Their conclusion was that we still
haven't reached the point of diminishing returns.  Of course, this was some time
ago, and evals/pruning/extensions/etc have all improved since then . . .

anthony



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