Author: Mihaly Szalai
Date: 09:33:09 10/29/03
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On October 28, 2003 at 17:38:43, John Merlino wrote: >About one opening move in the second game, I would like some insights into from >the strong players, if I could: > >1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Be7 7.O-O > >[D]rnbqk2r/ppp1bppp/8/3p4/3Pn3/3B1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 0 7 > >7...Bf5? > >I can find 27 games in the CM9000 database in which this move is played and the >tally is +14 =12 -1! Black has only won once in this database, and that was when >a Master played the move against an unranked player. Very few GMs have played >this move and scored: > >Ivanchuk drew Shirov (rated equally) >Heubner drew Adorjan (rated 50 points worse) >Christiansen drew Ljubojevic (rated 90 points higher) >Reshevsky drew Liberzon (rated 45 points worse) > >Panno apparently tried this move against Karpov in 1980 and lost (no surprise >there, as Karpov was rated 185 points higher). > >My point is, if this move is so poor, why is it still in an opening book? >CM9000's book always plays the very common 7...Nc6 in this position. If its >opponent plays 7...Bf5, it will respond with either 8.c4 or 8.Re1 with equal >probability. > >Any thoughts would be appreciated.... > >jm In my General.ctg there's a question mark after 7.- Bf5. This is the Fritz 6 book from 1999. They say there's a newer one, but I don't know nothing about it. (I converted the CM9000.obk to ctg and there's also a question mark.) Here is the ChessBase Opening Report from the Fritz 8 database: this confirms that 7.- Bf5 is a bad line. Best wishes (and watch out the fire!) Mihaly Opening report 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Be7 7.0-0 Bf5 C42, 7...Bf5 30 games in 'Fritz8-Database' 1. History Earliest game: Andrin,A - Bills,W 1-0, USA-op52 Forth Worth 1951 Latest grandmaster game: Ulibin,M - Arkhipov,S ½-½, Abu Dhabi ADCF Masters 2002 Games played in years (30) 2. Players a) Strong grandmasters who used this line as Black: Robert Huebner Result=1/2 1980 Elo-Ø: 2600 games: 2 Vlastimil Hort Result=0.5/1 1994 Elo-Ø: 2535 games: 1 Mihail Tal Result=0.5/1 1981 Elo-Ø: 2555 games: 1 Vassily Ivanchuk Result=0.5/2 2001-2002 Elo-Ø: 2717 games: 2 Oscar Panno Result=0/1 1980 Elo-Ø: 2540 games: 1 b) Other notable players: Rodney Perez Result=2.5/9 1998-2001 Elo-Ø: 2449 games: 9 3. Statistics Black scores badly (28%). Black performs Elo 2354 against an opposition of Elo 2520 (-166). White performs Elo 2638 against an opposition of Elo 2472 (+166). White wins: 13 (=43%), Draws: 17 (=57%), Black wins: 0 (=0%) The drawing quote is high. (17% quick draws, < 20 Moves) White wins are longer than average (43). Draws are short (29). 4. Moves and Plans a) 8.Re1 20 games, 1951-2002, Ø=1988 White scores well (70%). Elo-Ø: 2513, 18 games. Performance = Elo 2649 played by: Shirov, 2715, 0.5/1; Almasi, 2640, 1/1; Korneev, 2619, 1/1; Ljubojevic, 2605, 0.5/1; Ulibin, 2589, 0.5/1; You should play: 8...Nc6 Click for games Shirov,A - Ivanchuk,V ½-½; Almasi,Z - Ivanchuk,V 1-0; Adorjan,A - Huebner,R ½-½; Adorjan,A - Huebner,R ½-½; Ljubojevic,L - Christiansen,L ½-½; Ulibin,M - Arkhipov,S ½-½ Main line: 9.c4 79%, 2728 7 games 9.Nbd2 Nxd2 10.Qxd2 Bxd3 11.Qxd3 0-0 57%, 2584 7 games Critical line: 9.c4 21 % Black. Click for games Plans White: ..(Nb8-c6)/Nb1-d2/ ..(Ne4xd2)/Qd1xd2/ ..(Bf5xd3)/Qd2xd3/Bc1-f4/Re1-e2/Ra1-e1/c2-c3 (3) Click for games c2-c4/ ..(Nc6-b4)/Bd3-f1/a2-a3/c4xd5/Nb1-c3/ ..(Ne4xc3)/b2xc3/Bc1-f4/Ra1-a2 (2) Click for games Nb1-c3/Bc1-f4/Ra1-a2/Ra2-e2/Qd1xe2 (2) Click for games c2-c3/Bc1-f4/Re1-e3/Bf4xd6/Ra1-e1 (2) Click for games c2-c4/Nb1-c3/Qd1xd3/Qd3xc4 (2) Click for games ..(Ne4xc3)/b2xc3/Qd1xd3/Qd3xc4/Ra1-b1 (2) Click for games Plans Black: Bf5xd3/0-0/Rf8-e8/Be7-d6 (4) Click for games Ne4xd2/Bf5xd3/0-0/Qd8-d7/a7-a6/Ra8-e8/Be7-d8 (2) Click for games Nc6-b4/0-0/Nb4-c6/Qd8xd5/Ne4xc3/Be7-f6 (2) Click for games Qd8xd5/Be7-f6/Qd5-d7/Ra8-e8 (2) Click for games Nc6-b4/0-0 (4) Click for games Rf8-e8/Qd8-d7/b7-b6 (2) Click for games b) 8.c4 8 games, 1980-2002, Ø=1993 White scores excellently (81%). Elo-Ø: 2529, 8 games. Performance = Elo 2672 played by: Karpov, 2708, 2/2; Tal, 2555, 1/1; Zhang Pengxiang, 2522, 1/1; De Firmian, 2520, 1/1; Abreu, 2410, 0.5/1 You should play: 8...dxc4 Karpov,A - Panno,O 1-0; Teran Alvarez,I - Perez,R ½-½; Vazquez,R - Perez,R ½-½; Abreu,A - Perez,R ½-½; Tal,M - Veingold,A 1-0; Zhang Pengxiang - Del Rey,D 1-0 Main line: 9.Bxc4 79%, 2651 7 games 5. Opening keys Key: 7.... Bf5 Generated with ChessBase 8.0
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