Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:06:21 10/30/03
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On October 30, 2003 at 09:57:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 08:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 08:07:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 06:07:37, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On October 30, 2003 at 04:12:14, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 03:41:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I do not understand what all this discussion is about. >>>>>> >>>>>>Can you explain what is the subject that you disagree with Bob. >>>>>>You say nothing against Vincent who attack Jeroen for no reason. >>>>> >>>>>I'm replying to that in another thread. >>>>> >>>>>>Jeroen could prepare some book to avoid draw between Sjeng and Tiger and Rebel. >>>>>>Jeroen did not do it. >>>>>> >>>>>>The company who sells all the 3 programs is the same so it is clear that draw >in these games is the worst result for commercial reasons because it increase >>>>>>the chances of another program to win. >>>>> >>>>>I don't understand, shouldn't other people be happy that we refuse to 'fix' >>>>>the results? >>>> >>>>Of course but Vincent said in >>>> >>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?324307 >>>> >>>>Though i commercially can understand the idea, from sportive viewpoint i find it >>>>very disgusting. >>>> >>>>My point is that if Jeroen can do disgusting things for commercial reasons the >>>>first thing that I expect him to do it is not to do draws between the programs. >>> >>>For the same reason i expect a draw in world champs 2003 between Fritz and >>>Brutus. >>> >>>Imagine the very well sold commercial program at a small PC, whose public >>>statement is that it only learns through search, it plays a 6 times faster >>>opponent who in its evaluation is applying double the knowledge. >>> >>>Normally spoken that is a loss by natural induction with small draw chances. >> >>Not that I suspect that chessbase is going to cheat for commercial reasons but >>for commercial reasons I see no reason to do a draw. >>If chessbase want to sell Fritz and agree to cheat for that purpose then a win >>for Fritz is better than a draw. > >I have not accused chessbase nor lokasoft nor schroeder BV from cheating in this >respect. > >These are your words. No, those are _your_ words. By any definition, fixing the result of a game before it is played is _definitely_ _cheating_. > >There is a large gray area between cheating and not providing the best for a >certain engine. > >In the case of brutus we talk about an austrian program which is better with an >austrian openingsbook creator. > >How can he have peace with Fritz beating Brutus? > >The only compromis to keep all sides happy is a draw. > >You should take the compromis culture of western-europe into consideration for >matters like these. > >>If selling Brutus is more important for them then a win for brutus is better for >>them. >>Uri
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