Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:09:41 10/30/03
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On October 30, 2003 at 11:04:57, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 10:30:02, José Carlos wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 09:57:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 08:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On October 30, 2003 at 08:07:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 06:07:37, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 04:12:14, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 03:41:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I do not understand what all this discussion is about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Can you explain what is the subject that you disagree with Bob. >>>>>>>>You say nothing against Vincent who attack Jeroen for no reason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm replying to that in another thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jeroen could prepare some book to avoid draw between Sjeng and Tiger and Rebel. >>>>>>>>Jeroen did not do it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The company who sells all the 3 programs is the same so it is clear that draw >in these games is the worst result for commercial reasons because it increase >>>>>>>>the chances of another program to win. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't understand, shouldn't other people be happy that we refuse to 'fix' >>>>>>>the results? >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course but Vincent said in >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?324307 >>>>>> >>>>>>Though i commercially can understand the idea, from sportive viewpoint i find it >>>>>>very disgusting. >>>>>> >>>>>>My point is that if Jeroen can do disgusting things for commercial reasons the >>>>>>first thing that I expect him to do it is not to do draws between the programs. >>>>> >>>>>For the same reason i expect a draw in world champs 2003 between Fritz and >>>>>Brutus. >>>>> >>>>>Imagine the very well sold commercial program at a small PC, whose public >>>>>statement is that it only learns through search, it plays a 6 times faster >>>>>opponent who in its evaluation is applying double the knowledge. >>>>> >>>>>Normally spoken that is a loss by natural induction with small draw chances. >>>> >>>>Not that I suspect that chessbase is going to cheat for commercial reasons but >>>>for commercial reasons I see no reason to do a draw. >>>>If chessbase want to sell Fritz and agree to cheat for that purpose then a win >>>>for Fritz is better than a draw. >>> >>>I have not accused chessbase nor lokasoft nor schroeder BV from cheating in this >>>respect. >>> >>>These are your words. >>> >>>There is a large gray area between cheating and not providing the best for a >>>certain engine. >>> >>>In the case of brutus we talk about an austrian program which is better with an >>>austrian openingsbook creator. >>> >>>How can he have peace with Fritz beating Brutus? >>> >>>The only compromis to keep all sides happy is a draw. >>> >>>You should take the compromis culture of western-europe into consideration for >>>matters like these. >> >> In that case take Spain out of western-europe, please. Go cheating somewhere >>else. >> >> José C. > >Do you want to say in your country are no cheaters? >I played against some time cheaters from Spain on playchess server many months >ago. >At least they claimed to be Spaniards. > >Michael If they are cheaters, then the fact that they claimed to be spaniards suggest that they are not spaniards. Jos also did not claim that there are no cheaters in spain. Saying that the culture of spain is to cheat is not the same as saying that there are cheaters in spain. Uri
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