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Subject: About ordering moves

Author: José Carlos

Date: 07:20:36 11/03/03

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On November 03, 2003 at 10:08:08, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 03, 2003 at 09:36:57, Tord Romstad wrote:
>
>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>  Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC
>>>without explaination.
>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs !
>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ?
>>
>>It's sad, but apparently true.  I recieved an e-mail from Vincent on Friday,
>>where he explained that he had been banned without even recieving a warning
>>in advance.
>>
>>I hope this is just some kind of misunderstanding or mistake by the moderators,
>>and that Vincent will be back soon.
>>
>>Tord
>
>He was banned for 1 month because of his bad behaviour.
>He attacked me in his posts and I complained about it.
>
>I did not save the relevant post and I do not remember the exact content but the
>last case was when he said that I understand nothing about order of moves when I
>only claimed that statistics about order of moves can be influenced by null move
>pruning or by extensions so I do not consider it as important and I never
>calculate the relevant statistics.
>
>I also explained later in another post why I think that null move pruning can
>reduce the % of first fail high without changing the function of order of moves.


  I've changed the subject because I want to speak about this now, which is very
interesting for me.
  I missed your previous post when you talked about null move and move ordering,
and I'll search for it in the search engine.
  I'm having a hard time trying to make null move work together with a high % of
beta cutoffs at the first move. Unlike you, I find this statistic very useful
because I can try several tricks to avoid non-productive null move searchs which
will damage move ordering.
  So far I'm being able to average >95% in games, hitting some times 99%, at the
cost of not pruning some lines. I'm not sure so far about where is the correct
balance between both pruning and move ordering, but I'll report my results when
I think they're significant.
  On the other side, I haven't found other pruning different than null move to
affect move ordering, though I must admit I'm very conservative at the moment.
  Also a complex qsearch helps move ordering but damages branching factor.

  José C.



>Note that it was not the first time that Vincent is using personal attacks
>against people and I think that the moderators were correct in their decision.
>
>Uri



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