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Subject: Re: to Peter Kappler - re:Grok

Author: scott farrell

Date: 15:15:31 11/14/03

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On November 14, 2003 at 12:50:02, Peter Kappler wrote:

>>>
>>>Grok averages around 250knps in the middlegame on an Athlon 1400.  You
>>>didn't list your hardware, so I'm not sure how we compare.
>>
>>wow, that is much faster than mine. I have a 2500xp Barton, clocked to 3200, and
>>average probably 150Knps in the mid game. That's about 2.25 times faster than
>>chompster ... that would be nearly 600Knps on my hardware.... mmmm .... I am not
>>very impressed with myself. If I had 600Knps, I could take on any engine .... I
>>can't keep using the - "its java - its slower" excuse. Maybe its bitboards,
>>maybe its because I generate all moves first, maybe my eval is heavy, maybe I
>>get better move ordering   ...  or .... maybe I have sloppy code.
>>
>
>Whose VM are you using?  Sun's is 30% slower tham IBM's.  Microsoft's is
>somewhere in between.  BEA's is almost as fast as IBM's but seems to be buggy.
>

I am using SUNs, might check out IBMs (I am an IBM business partner).

>Another thing to avoid is creating new objects during your search.  Pre-allocate
>whatever you need.  Run a profiler against your code to see where you are slow.
> (Use the -Xprof switch with Sun's VM.)
>

yes, i do lots of profiling, and no new objects, new primitives all over the
place, but I dont think that is a big concern.

thanx for the tip on jvm, 30% for free will be nice for cct6

Scott

>Finally, we might be counting nodes differently.  In Grok, any time I update the
>board with a new move, that's a node.  I think that's how most people do it.
>
>
>>I just worked out I'll be Overseas on holidays skiing at Whistler Canada when
>>cct6 is on. I might need to lean on a few people to make sure chompster enters
>>the comp.
>>
>>Is grok online much of the time? I'd love to play against it, not to compete,
>>but to see differences.
>>
>
>It plays on ICC occasionally.  I'll probably be there this weekend.
>
>>
>>Are you getting a faster CPU for CCT6?
>>
>
>Setting up a new machine is enough of a hassle that I try not to do it unless I
>can get at least a 2x speedup.  Unless I'm misinterpreting the benchmarks on the
>fx-51, I don't quite see a 2x speedup vs my old Athlon 1400.
>
>-Peter



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