Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:17:06 11/19/03
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On November 19, 2003 at 04:59:59, Daniel Clausen wrote: >Hi > >I've read the thread concerning the WCCC2003 in Graz and I think both sides have >good points. (I just wish they'd listened more to each other ;) > >I have some questions/remarks though: > >(1) >Would you guys (esp. from the US) prefer it if the WCCC event would be held over >the internet in general or once in the US, once in Europe or something like >that? I think the internet is the way to do this. With things like "netmeeting" it could even be done in a near face-to-face manner where small groups get together and "attend" a virtual conference. People can talk, etc, but play the games via a server so that operator shennanigans are eliminated. > >(2) >In case such events would be held over the internet, how would you make sure >that cheating is not likely to happen? I think Russell suggested little 'hubs' >around the world (like in Europe, US, Asia, Australia, etc) so that everyone can >participate in the event but there would be some sort of control. I think that's >a very interesting idea, although it seems to be very hard to actually do it >since it requires a lot of organization and costs money. > Put 'me on a chess server like ICC to play the actual games. There is _no_ way to prevent cheating at some level. Even if everyone attends. I have seen the "move now" key abused many times. It would be trivial to use things like mouse movement to pass information to a program improperly. Since it can't be prevented, it has to be addressed in another way... >While I think the measurements against cheating in the upcoming CCT-event are >reasonable, it seems obvious to me, that one has to do more than that if the >'importance' of the event is higher. > >(3) >I believe there is enough interest in CC-tournaments in the US. But I have to >ask the simple question: Why aren't there any? I mean, in Europe it's noth just >WCCC, it's also Leiden, it's Paderborn, and maybe some others too. What >tournament is held in the US? There has to be a reason for it. It's not lack of >interest, it's not lack of sponsors, so what is it? (this is not meant as a >flame, but as a serious question :) Maybe it is because _the_ computer chess association, which was founded primarily by people in the US, now resides in Europe, when it resided over here for the first N years of its existence. (If you don't believe this look up Ben Mittman and where the first N "ICCA newsletters" (later to become the ICCA journal) came from.) The ICCA (now ICGA) is located in Europe now. That seems to be where they are willing to host events. If you will go back in time, the 1977 WCCC event was held in Toronto. That's where we formed the WCCC. Where was the next event held, even though _most_ of the competitors were from the US? Where was the next one held? And the next? They alternated as the ICCA charter _demanded_. We (in the US) thought this was fair. Apparently others that now run the ICCA don't feel the same. > >Sargon
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