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Subject: Re: No ! Fischer is (nt)

Author: Bas Hamstra

Date: 09:09:46 11/19/03

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On November 19, 2003 at 03:12:35, Tony Werten wrote:

>On November 18, 2003 at 11:39:20, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>On November 18, 2003 at 10:51:44, Tony Werten wrote:
>>
>>>Couldn't resist.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>
>>Actually, in Leiden you said SEE costs you only a table lookup. My question is:
>>what about x-rays? It seems impossible to me to get the *real* see value with a
>>table lookup in practice. So how do you do it?
>
>Basicly, I consider every xray attack as a direct attack by a queen :) Works
>pretty well.
>
>It basicly works as Ed described, with a few differences.
>
>I use 2 tables.
>One for looking if a "piece on a square" is safe wich consist of
>[myPiece,defenders_byte(sq),attackers_byte(sq)] and directly gives a score back.
>myPiece=[Q,R,BN,P]
>
>The second table is to see if a "move to a square" is safe, wich consists of
>[movingPiece,defenders_byte(sq),attackers_byte(sq)] I get a score from that by
>doing: score:=value[captured_piece]+see_move_table[piece,def(sq),att(sq)]
>In this case captured_piece may be empty.
>
>Another difference is that I enumerate the bytes wich give the attack/defend
>status. Ed uses 0..255 but that's not nescessairy. ie P attacks and N attacks
>but the piececount=1 or 0 is impossible. You can get the numbers down to 64.
>
>So my SEE_TABLE has [0..3,0..63,0..63] elements = 16 K
>
>and my SEE_MOVE_TABLE has [0..5,0..63,0..63] elements = 24 K
>
>A conversation with Gian Carlo made clear that it's possible to half this but I
>couldn't be bothered with the work it needs. The time is spend in generating the
>attacktables, not in the lookup_tables

Aha I see. But that *will* make errors, for instance I wouldn't begin to skip
losing captures in the qsearch based on this. However the idea of getting the
SEE value based on table lookup is very interesting, because I already use SEE a
lot and would use it even more if it wasn't such a performance killer. But I
like it to be reliable, because x-rays do happen and they matter. For instance
this:

r . R . . . q r
. . . . P . . .
. . . . . . . .
. Q . . . . . .
B . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . R . . .

Tao can determine the SEE value of e7-e8 quite well, and I am not willing to
give that up. Question is, can you ever get that from a table lookup.


Bas.






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