Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:32:29 11/19/03
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On November 19, 2003 at 12:25:33, martin fierz wrote: >On November 19, 2003 at 12:06:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 19, 2003 at 11:51:59, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>On November 19, 2003 at 11:34:17, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On November 19, 2003 at 11:30:37, martin fierz wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 19, 2003 at 11:06:21, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 19, 2003 at 10:55:26, martin fierz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 19, 2003 at 10:31:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>here. Makes a _lot_ of sense. And it shows just how "world" aware the >>>>>>>>ICCA actually is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>i don't really want to be involved in this thread, but i can't resist this >>>>>>>one... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>disclaimer: of course it would be much more sensible to have the championship in >>>>>>>the US from time to time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>cheapo: so the ICCA does something which is not good for *one* country >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>That's one cheapo that doesn't work. It would be like 2000 years ago holding >>>>>>gladiator events that discommode only one country, Rome. >>>>>> >>>>>>MH >>>>> >>>>>of course it works, and you just invite the next follow up cheapo ;-) >>>>> >>>>>2000 years ago the romans were perhaps not aware that there was much more to the >>>>>world than rome. sometimes one gets the feeling that the US citizens are no >>>>>different in this respect... >>>> >>>> >>>>Ok, how about holding a world chess championship that only inconviences >>>>Russians. >>>> >>>>I think you get the idea. :) >>>> >>>>MH >>> >>>of course i get the idea! i put a disclaimer on my first post stating clearly >>>that IMO the championship should be held in the US from time to time, and i >>>labelled my posts as cheapos :-) >>>i thought that made it clear enough... >>> >>>going back to your comparison with the russians: exactly how many american >>>programs are in the top 10 of the SSDF list? hint: less than russians in the top >>>10 of the FIDE list! >>> >>>cheers >>> martin >> >> >>Let's see. Wchess has been up there. Mchess Pro also. > >that's "has been". matthew was making the point that if you were to hold a world >championship in human chess without russian participants, it would be >meaningless, which is true. >looking at the *current* state of computer chess, it seems to me that a computer >chess championship without US-american participants is not meaningless at all. >that's all i was saying.... I would make this statement feeling perfectly safe. "The WMCC is an open-hardware event. If I were to show up with a _big_ SMP-type box, say 64 nodes of Itanium or Opteron processors, I would hardly be a 'non-favorite'. Crafty is dangerous. Give it a bit of a hardware advantage and it is not just dangerous, it is deadly." Rest assured that I'd show up at a WCCC with something more than the dual xeon I play with all the time. I've been known to show up with $60,000,000.00 computers more than once. But there's no point in trying to make hardware plans like that when I can't really disappear from here for two weeks during the academic year (and most especially over the Thanksgiving holidays here). Would you expect Crafty to do badly at 8M nodes per second? That is possible with just a quad. What about 80M? You are overlooking the point that the first requirement for such a beast to play is for me to be able to get there. If I can't, then I'm never going to make the hardware arrangements as there is no point in saying "look at what _might_ have played" because it didn't. There are _serious_ competitors in the US, in spite of the fact that some of us simply can't get away long enough for an extended trip/tournament in Europe. Maybe a way to make the point might be to challenge the winner to a 6 game open-hardware match, over the internet, to see just how competitive one or more of us might have been had we been able to attend. Ferret can use such hardware. As can I. I'm sure there are others... > >>On the other end there was Deep Blue, Cray Blitz, HiTech, Zarkov, socrates, >>to name a few... Do you have to be on top before you get an event in your >>area of the world? How does that _produce_ interest and foster development? > >....of course not and no... i'm just saying matthew's comparison is wrong... you >could answer to what's written and not to what you read into my post! > >cheers > martin > >PS: to end this on a more constructive note: i seriously hope that you have >something in crafty's eval that discourages the f3-move you suggested in >response to uri's question on program vs. human evaluation!
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