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Subject: Re: Predicted Winner WCCC

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:39:49 11/22/03

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On November 22, 2003 at 14:24:24, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On November 22, 2003 at 13:20:46, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 2003 at 13:16:06, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On November 22, 2003 at 11:44:42, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 22, 2003 at 10:09:59, swaminathan natarajan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>why not Brutus,Fritz?
>>>>>
>>>>>what happened to Diep last month at leiden?
>>>>
>>>>Last month Diep wasn't running on a super computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>Quark will take care of Diep super Computer, it takes more than calcucation to
>>>be a strong program :-)
>>>
>>>My prediction is Fritz
>>
>>Unfortunately now it seems that quark is in problems.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Why unfortunately?

Because I hoped for better result for quark

I believed during the game that it has a better position.

Bd6 is also suggested by yace in analysis mode and there are other moves with
positive score.

Quark probably needs more time to play Bd6 because it is more optimistic for
Re8.


[D]3q1N1k/pp3Qp1/2p2p2/3p1P1p/1P1P2b1/P3r1b1/6P1/R4RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:

30...Qxf8 31.Qxf8+ Kh7
  +-  (5.89)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
30...Bxf5 31.Rxf5
  +-  (2.25)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
30...Be2
  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
30...Re2
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
30...Re2
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
30...Re2 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
30...Re2 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
30...Re2 31.Ne6 Rxe6 32.fxe6
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Re2 31.Ne6 Qg8 32.Qxb7
  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Be2 31.Qg6
  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Be2 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh8 33.Ng6+ Kh7 34.Qxb7 Bxf1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6
  =  (-0.02)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7
  =  (-0.02)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Ne6
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5
  ³  (-0.43)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5
  ³  (-0.43)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Qe7 34.Ng6
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Qe7 34.Ng6
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:01  78kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:01  198kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:01  291kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxa7 Qxa7 34.Nf4
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:01  378kN
30...Re8 31.Ne6 Qe7 32.Qg6 Rc8 33.Rac1 Kg8
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:02  555kN
30...Re8 31.Ne6 Qe7 32.Qg6 Rc8 33.Rac1 Kg8
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:03  818kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:04  1534kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Qh8+ Kg5 35.Ne6+ Kh4 36.Qxg7 Rxg7
37.Nxg7
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:05  1723kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Qh8+ Kg5 35.Ne6+ Kh4 36.Qxe8 Rxe8
37.Nxg7 Re2
  =  (-0.15)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:05  1792kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Qh8+ Kg5 35.Ne6+ Kh4 36.Qxe8 Rxe8
37.Nxg7 Re2
  =  (-0.15)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:07  2342kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Kh1 Be2 35.Qh8+ Kg5 36.Ne6+ Kh4
37.Qxe8 Rxe8 38.Nxg7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:08  3001kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Rb1
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:09  3545kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
Bh2+ 37.Kh1 Bf4
  =  (-0.07)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:11  3967kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
Bh2+ 37.Kh1 Bf4
  =  (-0.07)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:14  5156kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6 h4
37.Qd3+ Kh5 38.Qh7+ Kg5
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:18  6889kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Kh1 Be2 35.Qh8+ Kg5 36.Ne6+ Kh4
37.Qxe8 Rxe8 38.Nd8
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:20  7962kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Kh1 a6 35.Qh8+ Kg5 36.Ne6+ Kh4
37.Qxe8 Rxe8 38.Nxg7
  =  (-0.14)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:24  9673kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Kh1 a6 35.Qh8+ Kg5 36.Ne6+ Kh4
37.Qxe8 Rxe8 38.Nxg7
  =  (-0.14)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:31  12549kN
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re7 34.Rab1 Kg5 35.Rb3 Bd6 36.Ne6+ Kh6
37.Qxe8 Rxe8 38.Re3
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 11/39   00:00:50  19295kN
30...Bd6 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qe8 33.Qxa7 Re2 34.Kh1 Qe4 35.Nf4 Bxf4 36.Qa4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 11/39   00:01:45  40294kN
30...Bd6 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qe8 33.Nf4 Bxf4 34.Rxf4 Re2 35.Kh1 Qe3 36.Rxg4 hxg4
37.Qxa7
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 11/39   00:02:04  47227kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 22.11.2003)


3q1N1k/pp3Qp1/2p2p2/3p1P1p/1P1P2b1/P3r1b1/6P1/R4RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Quark:

30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Re2
  ³  (-0.70)   Depth: 4   00:00:01
30...Qe8
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 5   00:00:01
30...Qe8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Nf8+ Kh6 33.Qg8 Qe7 34.Qh7+
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 5   00:00:01
30...Re8
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 5   00:00:01
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6
  ³  (-0.40)   Depth: 5   00:00:01
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6
  ³  (-0.40)   Depth: 5   00:00:01
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  74kN
30...Qe8
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  83kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  86kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  152kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4 Bxf5
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 7   00:00:01  208kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4 Bxf5
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 7   00:00:02  334kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4 Bxf5 35.Nxd5
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  471kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4 Bxf5 35.Nxd5
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 8   00:00:03  702kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4 Kh6 35.Rac1 Kg5
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  976kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Qb6 33.Qxb6 axb6 34.Nf4 Kh6 35.Rac1 Kg5
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 9   00:00:06  1859kN
30...Re8
  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 10   00:00:09  2844kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6 34.Rf3 Qc7 35.Qa6 Kf7 36.Qd3
  µ  (-0.90)   Depth: 10   00:00:19  5825kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Rxf5 Kxg6 34.Rf3 Qc7 35.Qa6 Kf7 36.Qd3
  µ  (-0.90)   Depth: 10   00:00:21  6645kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6 Kf7
37.Qd3
  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 11   00:00:26  8481kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6 Kf7
37.Qd3
  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 11   00:00:47  15892kN
30...Re8
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 12   00:00:56  18998kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
Bh2+ 37.Kh1 Kh7 38.Re1
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 12   00:01:04  21759kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
Bh2+ 37.Kh1 Kh7 38.Re1
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 12   00:01:42  34323kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
Bh2+ 37.Kh1 Kh7 38.Qd3+ g6 39.Re1
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 13   00:02:42  55654kN
30...Re8 31.Ng6+ Kh7 32.Qxb7 Bxf5 33.Nf8+ Rxf8 34.Rxf5 Kg6 35.Rf3 Qc7 36.Qa6
Bh2+ 37.Kh1 Kh7 38.Qd3+ g6 39.Re1
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 13   00:04:18  87230kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 22.11.2003)


>
>If you don't want to draw a supercomputer and prefer a lost endgame instead you
>do not deserve better.

I guess that Quark evaluated the endgame as better for black.

Uri



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