Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 16:08:04 11/27/03
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On November 27, 2003 at 18:23:50, Andrew Williams wrote: >On November 27, 2003 at 18:19:02, Bob Durrett wrote: > >>On November 27, 2003 at 18:09:33, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On November 27, 2003 at 18:06:37, Bob Durrett wrote: >>> >>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:59:08, Andrew Williams wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:55:19, Bob Durrett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:42:58, margolies,marc wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>These are not charges based upon LIST's <<performance>> in a direct >>>>>>>way--Although all of LIST's defenders offer counter-proof regarding different >>>>>>>performance characteristics between Crafty and LIST. >>>>>>>The charge is PLAGIARISM-- lifting of (some)code. The Programmer in question has >>>>>>>not responded to the commitee's request for proof with a defense (according to >>>>>>>Levy's Report--I have no direct knowledge) therefore the Commitee had to act to >>>>>>>protect the legitimacy of the Tournament. Also the commitee's action were a >>>>>>>response to a complaint by an (unnamed) tournament participant who has standing >>>>>>>to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>>The "committee" has no legal authority. Plagiarism is a violation of law, at >>>>>>least in some Countries. The individual suffering damages from plagiarism can >>>>>>seek and obtain compensation in a duly constituted Civil Court of Law. The >>>>>>"committee" is NOT a Court of Law. They have no business trying to pretend >>>>>>otherwise. They run risks by their own actions. They have no authority to >>>>>>judge and punish someone for a law violation and they have no authority to >>>>>>create their own laws either. In other words, this "committee" has put itself >>>>>>out on a very fragile limb. Let's just hope that the programmer has a very good >>>>>>sense of humor. >>>>>> >>>>>>Bob D. >>>>> >>>>>This is ridiculous. The tournament is a competition which is held under the >>>>>auspices of the ICGA. They set some rules. They are entitled to hold the >>>>>participants to those rules. >>>> >>>>Tournament Directors and the ICGA are not immune. Tournament Directors can and >>>>have been sued in the past. Sometimes their authority goes to their heads and >>>>they assume that they have more authority than they have. Incidentally, in case >>>>you wonder, I NEVER had any problem with tournament directors. Maybe that's >>>>because I always followed the rules. >>>> >>>>Bob D. >>> >>>The point is that the TDs can't be sued or censured in any way if they have >>>followed their own rules. It doesn't matter what their rules are, because by >>>entering the competition, List's author agreed to them. The question therefore >>>doesn't relate to rules outside of the ICGA's remit - it only relates to the >>>extent to which the organization's own rules were followed. >>> >>>Andrew >> >>Well, this is not the right place for a legal debate. You must admit, however, >>that someone really did make a bad decision. >> >>Incidentally, I have just made up one of my new rules: It's OK for me to rob a >>bank. I wonder whether or not my following my own rules will be sufficient >>defense in a REAL court of law if I am caught? >> > >Only if the bank agreed to your rules. > >>Oh well, it's getting absurd. Let's just hang Vincent and be done with it. >> >>: ) >> >>Bob D. >> > >I don't know of any reason to believe that Vincent was involved. > >AW Well, in this particular case: the answer is NO. He is very busy solving another issues with Diep. Arturo Ochoa. Diep Book Creator.
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