Author: CONNAT
Date: 08:38:19 11/17/98
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On November 17, 1998 at 10:32:28, Ernst Walet wrote:
>On November 17, 1998 at 08:58:08, CONNAT wrote:
>
>>On November 15, 1998 at 17:03:30, Oreo Kostas wrote:
>>
>>>On November 15, 1998 at 11:49:08, Oreo Kostas wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yesterday i decided to put Rebel 10 to a test that i thought was hard but didnt
>>>>imagine that Rebel will disappoint me so much.
>>>>I had Rebel10 play a GM friend of mine(his rating will be 2565 in January
>>>>listings) 10 10 minute games.I was excpecting Rebel to win this match allthough
>>>>John(my friend) is playing amzingly well even at low time controls.The result
>>>>was
>>>>3 draws
>>>>2 wins for Rebel
>>>>5!!!Losses.
>>>>But what is more amazing is that it was smashed in tactical play with sacrifices
>>>>any time wanted by the audience (we were 5 people watching him)
>>>>But what made me really angry is the last game.John tried to play as
>>>>eccentrically as he could,in order to prove me that rebel was really weak at
>>>>tactics.
>>>>Unfortunately I dont remember all the games ,i thought that Rebel has an
>>>>autosave feature like Fritz,but look at a fragment from the lst Game.
>>>>
>>>>White:Pawns a2,b2,c2,e4,f4,g2,h4,Rooks d1,h3,Bishops d3,g5,Knight d4,g3,Queen f3
>>>>Black:Pawns a6,b4,d6,e6,f7,g7,h6,Rooks a8,f8,Bishops b7,e7,Knight f6,d7,Queen c7
>>>>
>>>>Blach=Rebel 10 to move
>>>>
>>>>now black played
>>>>1..Qd8??!!2.Ngf5?!(this move is bad but look at Rebels answers)ef5 3.Nf5 hg5??
>>>>impossible mistake 4.hg5 Re8 5 Rdh1 and rebel saw that he is mate in 5 at once
>>>>
>>>>I later let Rebel think at move 3 for a while but after 4 minutes it could not
>>>>find mate in 7 nor even see that this move is leading in to trouble.
>>>>I tried many different settings but in vain.
>>>>I later put the excact same position in fritz 5.16.Fritz sees that hg5 is bad
>>>>(it actually never plays QD8)after a few seconds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My system configutarion
>>>>Pentium II 300
>>>>128MB Ram.
>>>>
>>>>Any comments??
>>>>
>>>>I really will try to reproduce some of the games
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I forgot the Kings
>>>The white King is on b1
>>>the black King on g8
>>
>>
>>I just tried the position on my Cyrix MX 233 (512 Ko HT).
>>
>>I use the default configuration except Style=Active.
>>
>>It plays 1 .. Qd8 (Ok not spectacular but not a losing move...). The real bad
>>move was of course 3 .. hxg.
>>
>>With these settings, in blitz mode, when I play the whole sequence of moves, it
>>plays (a) sometimes 3 .. Kh8 in few seconds or (b) 3.. Nc5 ( < 15 s) if he pass
>>over Kh8 (depend of hash tables perhaps) -> It *never* considers 3 .. hg with
>>this setting (That is much better !).
>>
>>If you set back style=Normal ("default setting"), it considers 3 .. hg then
>>plays it in few seconds (blitz level).
>>
>>
>>
>>Conclusion : Keep all default settings including Anti-GM (Smart or Strong) but
>>*only* change Style=Active -->> it is much more the real Rebel10 than Combo off,
>>Gm Off and Style=Defensive :-)
>>
>>I try to understand : the move Nc5 is much active of course, and much
>>complicated for white... but I don't understand 3 .. Kh8 which isn't more active
>>than 3 .. hg ; just more safe :-)
>>
>>Then Conclusion bis : a more Active setting gives (a) one more active move (3
>>.. Nc5) or (b) one more safe move (3 .. Kh8) :-). Try to understand!
>
>I found out that it rejects hxg5 in two seconds on a K6-200 when turning anti-GM
>off and leaving the rest default.
>
>Ernst-Jan
You are right but take Rebel10 without Anti-GM, it is not the real Rebel10 ! No
interest I think, don't you ?
Rebel9 doesn't play hxg5 too !
Eric
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