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Subject: Re: Congrats to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen!

Author: Ralph Stoesser

Date: 08:45:16 12/03/03

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On December 01, 2003 at 13:27:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 01, 2003 at 09:03:29, Francesco Di Tolla wrote:
>
>>>I thought the main argument was about Jonny's unability to detect the draw by
>>>itself and to void any game decisive claims from the GUI, which should only act
>>>as a dumb input/output device for entering/displaying moves/board.
>>
>>For sure Jonny did not issue a draw request an this is point one of the story.
>>
>>Second the GUI did show a pop-up caliming a three fold repetition did happen,
>>but not asking to apply the three-fold repeptition rule and ask for a draw.
>>
>>This happends because the Fritz GUI acts as a home-user interface and stops the
>>game declaring the repetition and scoring draw. Hence that interface is not
>>suited for tournaments in the sense that it should have a tournament mode in
>>which it explicitly asks for the draw instead of declaring it.
>
>
>You do _not_ "ask for a draw" in this circumstance.  You _claim_ it.  See
>the FIDE rules of chess.  To "ask" implies that it can be refused.  It
>can _not_ be refused unless an error has been made.  In the case of a computer,
>making a repetition statement is the same as making a claim...  IMHO


The Chessbase GUI always implicitly claim a draw in the case of a threefold
repetition. This is because it does not only popup a info message about the
threefold repetition, but it also flag the game as draw. That means there should
had happened a implicit draw claime before, otherwise the game should not end
automatically in a draw in this case. So if the TD argues that a info message
about a threefold repetition is not equivalent to a draw claim, he has not
considered the fact that the GUI not only show the info message but also flag
the game as a draw! So it's intention should be clear: It _has_ claimed draw and
therefore the game is scored a draw. Game over.

Regards,
Ralph



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