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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:19:06 12/09/03

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On December 10, 2003 at 00:11:47, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On December 09, 2003 at 23:26:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 09, 2003 at 23:20:15, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On December 09, 2003 at 22:38:45, Nicholas Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 09, 2003 at 14:26:47, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:59:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"An operator can only  (1) type in moves and (2) respond to request from
>>>>>>the compute for clock information."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How, from that rule, does it become possible for the operator to say "Hmm.
>>>>>>the engine claims a draw,
>>>>>
>>>>>The engine didn't claim a draw.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless you consider the interface part of the engine, but that's IMHO
>>>>>another discussion. If the Jonny engine would have claimed the draw
>>>>>I would agree with you but given the facts I consider the ICGA decision
>>>>>also acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>GCP
>>>>
>>>>This whole interface/engine discussion seems ridiculous to me...
>>>>
>>>>If applied to humans, are we to say that the brain and body are the interface
>>>>and engine respectively and that, according to the proposed (IMHO illogical)
>>>>division, a human can't claim a draw by three-fold repetition using one's mouth
>>>>or hands, as these are part of the interface!!??
>>>>
>>>>All I can see if a whole lot of illogical defences of a poor decision by the TD.
>>>
>>>FYI "Spock" the TD didn't know what was happening during the game, he didn't
>>>understand the question posed to him and consequently we have this non ending
>>>chase your tail type arguements. What would you have done, after the fact if you
>>>had to make a ruling with your peers?
>>>
>>>I think I know what you or any sensible person would have done. Nothing would
>>>change, Shredder would still be declared the WCCC.
>>
>>This came up _during_ the game, _after_ the game, and could have been
>>handled correctly.  The right thing to do when you screw up is to say "I
>>screwed up, the game should have been declared a draw, therefore Fritz
>>is the winner and there will be no playoff."  If the TD couldn't figure
>>that out before the playoff was over, he should _still_ have said "I
>>made a mistake, Fritz is the winner, the playoff is therefore negated."
>>
>>The event and title are too important to let an incompetent TD decision
>>influence the final result.  Mistakes were made.  But the _biggest_ mistake
>>was letting the original mistake go uncorrected, then making lame and
>>ridiculous excuses about why the original (flawed) decision was really OK
>>if you look at it like "this"...
>
>You may find this shocking, but it isn't as important as you claim.
>
>The universe will keep unfolding, even when mankind is dust!


I can only speak for myself.  Every event I played in was important to
the participants.  We _always_ wanted the _right_ result.  Not some
human-interfered, TD- screwed-up result..




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