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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Thomas Mayer

Date: 14:18:22 12/10/03

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Hi Sandro,

just I may add:

if Johannes would have gone to the TD and claim a draw Stefan would have nothing
to complain about... it would be the correct result...

But Johannes did think different - he did not want to have the tournament
decided by such a stupid bug. So he try's to ask the TD if he can play on, but
Jaap did not understand what he wants... So there were several misunderstandings
on the way - Johannes was unsure if he is allowed to overule his program and
Jaap was not aware about the seriousness of the question.

The final decision then about the result is explained that it can be understood.
On the other hand I would have been fine also with a decision that it is draw...
Afaik the decision by the Jury was 2:1 - so even they did not fully agree about
what to do.
Besides, I believe that Stefan would have accepted both decisions. I think we
all agree that the engines are playing - and if you have a bug you must live
with the consequences - e.g. in the game Jonny - Quark, Jonny had a bug and lost
a rook instantly, now what to do ? Should I have allowed Johannes to take the
move back and to restart his engine ? (And it was sure that it would not play
that move again, because it was clear that it was a hash bug, so with fresh new
hash it would never play that) To me it is a matter of sportsmanship not to
start clocks when someone has problems with his machine or even overslept
(thanks Gian-Carlo by the way... :)... but losing/drawing because of a bug is
part of the business...

In this thread there was several times mentioned that the GUI should be only
passive and should not do anything except displaying the board and moves (e.g.
like winboard) - I am fully behind that, but I am very sure that the pro's would
not like such a rule, for understandable reasons...

Greets, Thomas



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