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Subject: Re: Shredder crushing Chess Tiger.

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 09:31:47 12/15/03

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On December 15, 2003 at 10:27:03, Jasmine Baer wrote:

>On December 15, 2003 at 01:09:16, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 14, 2003 at 19:08:38, Richard Sutherland wrote:
>>
>>>On December 14, 2003 at 18:53:08, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1) I don't recommend the "Gambit suicidal" settings. Use the normal style or the
>>>>Gambit style for better results. Please note that if you are using CT15 inside
>>>>the ChessBase GUI, due to a bug in the CB stuff you will have to manually edit
>>>>the CT.INI file.
>>>>
>>>>2) Chess Tiger hash table must always be 12 times some power of two, so when you
>>>>select 128Mb (which is not 12 times some power of two), Chess Tiger
>>>>automatically uses the biggest amount that does not exceed what you asked for.
>>>>In this case it selects 96Mb.
>>>>
>>>>3) If you draw any conclusion after 5-0, my advice is that you should definitely
>>>>pick a different hobby. But I'm sure you know that already and that you are not
>>>>drawing any real conclusion so early, right? :)
>>>>
>>>>Good luck with your match. Please keep us informed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe, author of Chess Tiger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Christophe, thanks for replying. No, I'm certainly not drawing any conclusions,
>>>just looking for feedback. I thought that I might not have Tiger playing at it's
>>>optimum settings and was looking for input. Don't be so sensitive! :) LOL
>>>
>>>I'll revert back to normal mode, use the Shredder work and allocate 192MB's of
>>>hash.
>>>
>>>What did you find were the optimal settings and at what time control did you
>>>find Tiger strongest?
>>
>>
>>
>>I cannot answer this question because testing is at least 50% of the job of a
>>chess programmer. I'm not going to reveal my secrets (not yet :).
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>Hi, Christophe!
>
>First, I wanted to thank you for making Chess Tiger 15.  It is a very fun engine
>to play against, and with the Gambit settings, I never know what it will pull
>out of its bag of tricks.



Thanks! Actually I myself never know what it is going to play (and why). :)




>Second, I was wondering when there might be a Chess Tiger 16?  It sounds like
>you are hard at work in your laboratory, so I'm sure you are cooking something
>up.



Yes, naturally. But I don't want to release a new version just because it is
commercially time to do it. I release a new version when it offers enough
improvements over the previous one.




>Third, a request.  On the next release, could you please include a "Gambit
>Tiger" engine to go along with Chess Tiger 16?  This way I can have them go head
>to head and see how they perform in a variety of tests - wide open openings,
>closed openings, "safe" openings, etc.



Well... Both engines have been united in Chess Tiger 15, and now you want me to
separate them?

I think it's not the job of the engine. It's the job of the GUI to allow for 2
identical engines (maybe with different settings) to play against each other.
The Tiger engine technically allows this.




>Fourth, please don't take any of the blatantly negative comments to heart.  I
>know it is hard to do so when someone criticizes one's work, but unless anyone
>provides back-up data that supports their assertion, it is healthier to blow it
>off.



I have developped a thick skin over the years. But I repeat over and over that
no definite conclusion must be drawn from a small number of games. Not just when
my engine is involved. It's one of the most important thing to know about
computer chess, chess and any competition in general. I'm trying to help
educating people in this regard (maybe in vain).




>Again, thanks for Chess Tiger.  I also own the Palm Pilot version, and it has
>saved me from boredom in airports, doctor's offices, etc.



Thank you!



    Christophe



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