Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:52:02 12/15/03
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On December 15, 2003 at 23:06:35, John Rissler wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 18:53:08, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 15:49:38, Richard Sutherland wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2003 at 15:39:47, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>> >>>>On December 14, 2003 at 13:26:33, Richard Sutherland wrote: >>>> >>>>>Well, I know you all probably know this already, but although Shredder is the >>>>>World Champion I am a little surprised at the ease with which it is crushing >>>>>Chess Tiger 15 in my mini-match right now. I am playing an auto232 match between >>>>>two identical PC's (Intel 2.54Gb) an game in one-hour and Shredder is leading >>>>>5-0 with two draws at this time. >>>>> >>>>>Wonder if there is some tweaking I need to do? >>>> >>>>although it is along time ago, i think i remember christophe theron saying that >>>>due to some kind of bug, chesstiger 15 plays better when moves/min is selected >>>>rather than game in/min: >>>> >>>>the other easo could just be >>>> >>>>a) a statistical anomaly: >>>> >>>>b) the effect of he shredder book which is optimised for shredder whereas the >>>>tiger book(chessbase)is only a general opening book made form a collection of >>>>high quality games: >>>> >>>>i have found chesstiger 15 to be on par with shreder7 >>> >>> >>> >>>I've changed the Tiger settings to Suicidal and to use the Shredder book. The >>>funny thing is, when you select 128MB of hash, Tiger only loads 96? That's >>>consistent on both PC's. >> >> >> >>1) I don't recommend the "Gambit suicidal" settings. Use the normal style or the >>Gambit style for better results. Please note that if you are using CT15 inside >>the ChessBase GUI, due to a bug in the CB stuff you will have to manually edit >>the CT.INI file. >> >>2) Chess Tiger hash table must always be 12 times some power of two, so when you >>select 128Mb (which is not 12 times some power of two), Chess Tiger >>automatically uses the biggest amount that does not exceed what you asked for. >>In this case it selects 96Mb. >> >>3) If you draw any conclusion after 5-0, my advice is that you should definitely >>pick a different hobby. But I'm sure you know that already and that you are not >>drawing any real conclusion so early, right? :) > >I am currently conducting a match in my (limited) spare time pitting Palm Chess >Tiger 15 on my Sony Palm Clie 33 MHZ (but overclocked to 54 MHZ with a 1.5 MB >Hash table) versus the Saitek RISC 2500 with 128K RAM. Level is game in 10 >minutes, normal style for both the CT & SR. SR has tournament book selected. > >Anyway, it started out with the Saitek Risc racing out to a 6 1/2 - 1/2 lead at >the beginning -- mostly by finding crushing middle-game tactics. Judging from >those first 7 games, it would seemingly indicate that the poor Chess Tiger on my >Sony was hopelessly outclassed. > >After 34 games the Saitek Risc is still leading - but now only by 18-16! > >I hope to eventually make it a 100 game match. learning may explain the result. If you draw any conclusion which program is better based only on the final result of a match of 10000 games then my advice is that you should definitely pick abother hobby. one program can start by leading 20-0 and 20 draws but after the opponent starts to win it can repeat its win every game and win the match 9900-100 Is the winner better when practically people do not play matchs of 10000 games and practically the loser performs better against chess programs? Uri
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