Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:38:22 12/16/03
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On December 16, 2003 at 02:12:24, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On December 15, 2003 at 23:00:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 15, 2003 at 15:45:18, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2003 at 23:07:59, Peter Skinner wrote: >>> >>>>On December 14, 2003 at 19:53:22, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 14, 2003 at 13:26:33, Richard Sutherland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Well, I know you all probably know this already, but although Shredder is the >>>>>>World Champion I am a little surprised at the ease with which it is crushing >>>>>>Chess Tiger 15 in my mini-match right now. I am playing an auto232 match between >>>>>>two identical PC's (Intel 2.54Gb) an game in one-hour and Shredder is leading >>>>>>5-0 with two draws at this time. >>>>>> >>>>>>Wonder if there is some tweaking I need to do? >>>>> >>>>>Shredder 7.04 is clearly the class of the field of the current crop of programs. >>>>>It seems from looking over the games from the WC. The new Shredder will still be >>>>>the top class program again on the SSDF IMO over Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>Any word when the new Shredder will be sold? It is the only program I will buy >>>>>anymore. The play of Fritz has not made me want to shell out 100 bucks. >>>> >>>>Why not? Technically it won WCCC 2003. Sure Shredder has the title, but I don't >>>>really think a person believes it deserves it other than the actual Shredder >>>>team. >>> >>>The majority of the people did, not otherwise! Only a few people were against >>>and they were very against. >>> >>>This is unbelievable! >> >>No it isn't. > >I am referring to the fact that someone tells that only the Shredder team >support this. >How can one can make such statements? >How does someone knows what nearly all people think about that? I assume they made conclusions based on the discussions here and r.g.c.c not to mention other computer chess forums. Very few have sided with the TD in the decision he made... > >I can accept that one say, like you, that you do not agree, but one can speak >only for himself. I would agree unless one quotes direct statements made by others in an argument. > >>It is the _direct_ result of a horrible decision made by a TD >>without thinking it through. > >Again this is your and some people opinion, not everybody's opinion. It is clearly the _majority_ opinion however. Just count "for's" and "agsinst's" in the posts here, by poster. > >> This is why we have the rule that says the >>operator can _not_ influence the game. > >Darse statements said a different story...again I think he know more tham me and >you. > Darse statements were completely irrelevant. ICGA doesn't use FIDE rules. It uses the rules all the _participants_ agreed to use when they signed up in the first place. So his opinion is totally irrelevant. The operator for Jonny refused to claim a draw when told to do so by his program. His stated reason was that he thought Shredder had played better and should win, not draw due to some sort of bug. That is _not_ allowable. The operators don't get to decide "who played better and therefore who should win." >> This is why it is imperative that >>the TD enforce that rule. This is exactly what happens when he abdicates >>his responsibilities and tries to do what he thinks avoids making him look >>the worst in front of the participants. >> >>This is your legacy for a year. Not that it was your fault. But the title >>_was_ tainted. The TD decision was horrible. The title will _forever_ have >>an "*" beside it. > >We only accepted the TD decision. We cannot be blame for it. I don't believe I have blamed you for it. I put the blame directly on Jaap where it belongs. >> >>That's sad... >> >>And it could have been avoided. >> >When the TD gives his last word and the contenders do accept it, for me there is >no matter to discuss anymore, expecially for people which are not directly >involved. You are sitting in a parked car. I ram into the back of you with my car. I claim you backed into me. My witness, riding with me, backs me up. Do you accept that or do you go the police and let the forensic people look it over and draw a different conclusion? The TD is _not_ the ultimate authority. The rules are. He didn't follow the rules and looked utterly incompetent in doing so. I think it perfectly reasonable to protest the result in the hopes that someone at ICGA will wake up, realize it was a bad decision, and fix it. Otherwise this will always be referred to as the "asterisk" event. > >>>> >>>>I bought Deep Fritz 8, and I will buy Shredder 8. Both are worthy.
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