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Subject: Re: do all programs see this draw here.... another position

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 07:18:50 12/28/03

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On December 28, 2003 at 04:46:07, martin fierz wrote:

>On December 27, 2003 at 00:51:11, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>
>>[d]8/r7/8/5bk1/8/5B2/5RPP/6K1 b - - 0 1
>
>for all programs that instantly saw the draw in mike's
>position, this may be interesting too (of course only
>without tablebases): white to move and win, a study by
>J. Vancura 1922, which is also on the chessbase site.
>
>[d]8/8/8/8/8/2K4B/5k1P/8 w - - 0 1
>
>the point is that although black's king is in the
>square of the white pawn, he can never get through
>to the h-file. programs which are too speculative about
>"wrong bishop => draw" might show a draw score before
>they see the win.
>
>cheers
>  martin

On an old 800mhz Athlon with 32Mb hash Ruffian finds a mate in 13:

Ruffian_101  UCI:
D1  00:00  2.80   Bh3f1 Kf2xf1
D1  00:00  5.41   Bh3g4
D1  00:00  5.51   Bh3f5
D1  00:00  5.55   Bh3e6
D2  00:00  0.00   Bh3e6 Kf2g2
D2  00:00  5.35   Kc3d2 Kf2f3
D3  00:00  0.00   Kc3d2 Kf2g1 Bh3e6 Kg1xh2
D3  00:00  3.50   Bh3f1 Kf2xf1 h2h4
D3  00:00  5.35   Bh3c8 Kf2f3 Kc3d2
D3  00:00  5.45   Bh3g4 Kf2e3 Bg4e6
D3  00:00  5.47   Bh3d7 Kf2f3 Kc3d2
D3  00:00  5.51   Bh3f5 Kf2f3 Kc3d2
D3  00:00  5.55   Bh3e6 Kf2f3 Kc3d2
D4  00:00  5.37   Bh3e6 Kf2f3 h2h4 Kf3f4
D5  00:00  5.65   Bh3e6 Kf2f3 h2h4 Kf3f4 h4h5
D6  00:00  5.75   Bh3e6 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5
D7  00:00  5.71   Bh3e6 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 Be6d5 Ke5xd5
D7  00:00  6.03   Bh3c8 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6
D7  00:00  6.15   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6
D8  00:00  6.07   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3f4 Kc3d4 Kf4g3 h4h5 Kg3f4
D9  00:00  6.35   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Kc3d4
D9  00:00  6.43   Bh3e6 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Kc3d4
D10  00:00  4.94   Bh3e6 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Be6f5 Kf6xf5
h6h7
D10  00:00  6.33   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6g5
D11  00:00  9.90   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 h7h8Q
D12  00:01  9.70   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8e7
D13  00:01  9.90   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8e7 Kc3d4
D14  00:02  9.90   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 Kc3d4 Ke8e7 h7h8Q Ke7e6
D15  00:02  10.00   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 Kc3d4 Ke8e7 Kd4e5 Ke7d7 h7h8Q
D16  00:03  10.04   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6d7 Kd4d5
D17  00:04  10.14   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Kd4d5 Kf7g6
D18  00:06  10.14   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Kd4d5 Kf7g6 Qe5e3
D19  00:07  10.14   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Kd4d5 Kf7g6 Qe5e4 Kg6f6 Qe4e5
Kf6f7
D20  00:09  10.14   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Kd4d5 Kf7g6 Qe5e4 Kg6f6 Kd5d6
Kf6f7 Qe4f5
D21  00:12  10.24   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Qe5d6 Kf7g7 Kd4d5 Kg7f7 Qd6e6
Kf7f8 Kd5d6
D22  00:16  10.24   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Qe5d6 Kf7g7 Kd4d5 Kg7f7 Qd6e6
Kf7f8 Kd5d6 Kf8g7
D23  00:20  10.24   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Qe5d6 Kf7g7 Kd4d5 Kg7f7 Qd6e6
Kf7f8 Kd5d6 Kf8g7 Qe6d5 Kg7g6
D24  00:27  10.24   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Qe5d6 Kf7g7 Kd4d5 Kg7f7 Qd6e6
Kf7f8 Kd5d6 Kf8g7 Qe6f5 Kg7h6
D25  00:37  10.24   Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7
h6h7 Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Kc3d4 Kd7e6 Qh8e5 Ke6f7 Qe5d6 Kf7g7 Kd4d5 Kg7f7 Qd6e6
Kf7f8 Kd5d6 Kf8g7 Qe6f5 Kg7h6 Kd6e6
D26+  00:48  10.59   Bh3d7
D26  00:54  M15  Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Qh8g7 Kd7e6 Kc3d4 Ke6f5 Qg7f7 Kf5g4 Kd4e4 Kg4g3 Qf7f3 Kg3h2
Qf3g4 Kh2h1 Ke4f3 Kh1h2 Qg4g2
D27  01:35  M13  Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Qh8f6 Kd7e8 Kc3c4 Ke8d7 Kc4c5 Kd7e8 Qf6g7 Ke8d8 Kc5d6 Kd8e8
Qg7g8
D28  01:45  M13  Bh3d7 Kf2e3 h2h4 Ke3e4 h4h5 Ke4e5 h5h6 Ke5f6 Bd7e8 Kf6e7 h6h7
Ke7xe8 h7h8Q Ke8d7 Qh8f6 Kd7e8 Kc3c4 Ke8d7 Kc4c5 Kd7e8 Qf6g7 Ke8d8 Kc5d6 Kd8e8
Qg7g8



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