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Subject: Re: re: computer chess and the american way of life <sic>

Author: Jim Bodkins

Date: 20:19:20 01/11/04

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On January 11, 2004 at 21:05:39, margolies,marc wrote:

>My memory is failing me on this subject...could some one please remind me of the
>following...
>Where is the largest computer chess server in the world located? (is it near
>carnegie-mellon maybe?)
>Where was the largest dedicated chess hardware assembled ? (is it near Hawthorne
>NY maybe)
>What country has the highest per capita pc ownership in the world?
>What country is the world's largest software market?
>
>regarding the finances of the US Chess Federation, how is that a computer-chess
>issue exactly - unless you mean they were merchandisers...
>When was the last (most recent year) that computers were entered in a regular
>USCF event?
>I do not understand why casual players should be required to spend fifty dolars
>a year for the privledge of being nudged by surly overworked amateur TDs who
>often are partisan to local players-- it's a business model which is destined to
>lose money fast in good times and faster in bad times. But this cannot be
>considered a metric of american culture or computer chess.
>
>On January 11, 2004 at 18:16:59, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2004 at 17:03:12, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On January 11, 2004 at 16:42:15, martin fierz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 11, 2004 at 16:11:06, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 10, 2004 at 16:24:59, Jim Bodkins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The US doesnt play chess really. USCF has 90,000 members out of 1/3 billion
>>>>>>people and just went bankrupt (over about $300,000 - chump change to a pro
>>>>>>basketball player) and had to sell its store to an english firm. Most of the top
>>>>>>US players (USCF) are immigrants not native.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm a native American, so dont get mad. We play baseball not chess. Chess isnt
>>>>>>culturally a part of the US at all. People (Garry) come here mainly because of
>>>>>>money not chess. Chess software doesnt interest most programmers in my
>>>>>>experience. OS's, databases etc do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The US will get hammered, but the guys will probably have fun anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>... oh, and we do Mars missions. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe people on this message board have forgotten their history. :) Shannon
>>>>>was American, the revolutionary programs MacHack and CHESS were American, the
>>>>>world champions Belle, Deep Thought, and Cray Blitz were American.
>>>>
>>>>you are forgetting the first computer chess programmer - alan turing, not
>>>>exactly american :-)
>>>>
>>>>>I'd say computer chess is a fairly significant part of American culture.
>>>>
>>>>and this is the wrong way round: some americans made very significant
>>>>contributions to computer chess. but "part of the american culture"?? there are
>>>>many things that come to my mind when i think about american culture, both
>>>>positive and negative (think football, baseball, everbody having guns, free
>>>>speech, the whole idea of the american dream etc). but certainly not computer
>>>>chess...
>>>>
>>>>cheers
>>>>  martin
>>>
>>>It is clear that there is much more interest in Chess and Computer Chess in
>>>Europe than in the US, but there are times that chess gets a push in the US -
>>>Fischer in '72, Deep Blue - GK in '96 and '97 - the last Fritz/GK match was
>>>reported regulary in the news ...so I think what we see in the US very latent,
>>>under the right circumstances - it could really tale off again , GK visits the
>>>US quite often and he does a lot to promote chess (book signings, simuls etc) in
>>>the US, I do like him for that.
>>>
>>>According to the Harris polls in 2001 , about 40% of Amercians own guns ...down
>>>from 48% in 1973.   Contrast that with Switzerland which has far higher gun
>>>ownership since it is legally mandated for every adult male.
>>>
>>>Getting ot here - but just wanted to point that out.
>>
>>hehe, i didn't know we had a higher figure :-)
>>then again, i believe having guns is much more part of the american culture than
>>the swiss - we are, as you say, forced to take our army rifles home. for most,
>>they end up in the attic, and we would rather not have them there.
>>anyway, i just mentioned some things that spring to my mind when i think about
>>the US and the american way of life or american culture. just to contrast these
>>things with computer chess, which very definitely is not part of the american
>>way of life - of course it is not part of *any* country's culture IMO - it is
>>far too insignificant...
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin

I was a member of USCF in highschool. I was an outcast. :(

BTW, THIS forum is in the US. Notice how many aliens lurk here? :) Might be the
same with ICS. The USCF server sure is empty most of the time. (WCN is my
personal favorite. No idea where that is).



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