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Subject: Re: Shredder 8 with nonsense mate in 153 announcement

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 17:23:42 01/17/04

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On January 17, 2004 at 19:17:13, F. Huber wrote:

>On January 17, 2004 at 18:10:44, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On January 17, 2004 at 12:45:30, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On January 17, 2004 at 07:59:09, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 17, 2004 at 06:07:33, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 16, 2004 at 19:06:21, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]2r1k1b1/pp4Q1/3p4/q5p1/4P3/1PN2P2/PP6/1K5R b - - 0 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. +- (#153): 33...Lf7 34.Th8+ Ke7 35.Txc8 d5 36.Sxd5+ Kd6 37.Dxf7 De1+ 38.Tc1
>>>>>>Dc3 39.bxc3 b5 40.Dxa7 Kc6 41.Dc7#
>>>>>>2. +- (#151): 33...Tc7 34.Dxg8+ Kd7 35.Sd5 Tc2 36.Th7+ Kc6 37.Dc8+ Dc7 38.Txc7+
>>>>>>Kb5 39.Kxc2 a5 40.Dxb7#
>>>>>>3. +- (#7): 33...De5 34.Dxg8+ Kd7 35.Th7+ De7 36.Txe7+ Kxe7 37.Dxc8
>>>>>
>>>>>Harald,
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you proof your claim?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed :)
>>>>
>>>>Sure.
>>>>33...Lf7 34.Th8+ Ke7 35.Txc8 d5 36.Sxd5+ Kd6 37.Dxf7 De1+ 38.Tc1 Dc3 39.bxc3 b5
>>>>40.Dxa7 Kc6 41.Dc7# is #8, not #153
>>>>
>>>>33...Tc7 34.Dxg8+ Kd7 35.Sd5 Tc2 36.Th7+ Kc6 37.Dc8+ Dc7 38.Txc7+ Kb5 39.Kxc2 a5
>>>>40.Dxb7# is #7, not #151.
>>>>
>>>>Do you count 151 or 153 moves in those mate lines? ;-)))
>>>
>>>
>>>You did not give proof that there is no mate in 153! :)
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>
>>No, I gave only the proof that the given mating line is a mate in 8 and not a
>>mate in 153 as Shredders eval suggests... ;)
>>
>>For the record: I don't consider this a serious bug. It is just a minor flaw the
>>user should be aware of.
>
>Hello Harald,
>
>you are in ´good company´ with Shredder 8 ;-) -
>both of you are wrong!
>
>After 33...Lf7 it´s NOT #8 (your wrong guess)
>After 33...Tc7 it´s NOT #7 (------ " -------)
>After 33...De5 it´s NOT #7 (Shredders guess) ---> is indeed #8
>
>I´ve tested all three moves (33...) with ChestUCI, and all of those three
>pvs are not correct -
>so not only Shredder but also you must have a bug. ;-)
>
>Regards,
>Franz.

CM9000, 5 best moves in mentor:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
4:02	5/13	Mate11	116315768	1...Bf7 2.Rh8+ Ke7 3.Rxc8 Kd7 4.Rb8
					Kc7 5.Qf8 Kc6 6.Qxf7 Qb4 7.Rc8+
					Kb6 8.Nd5+ Ka6 9.Nxb4+ Kb6 10.Qc7+
					Kb5 11.Qxb7+ Ka5 12.Nc6#
1:27	4/12	Mate09	40957669	1...Rc7 2.Qxg8+ Kd7 3.Nd5 Kc6 4.Rc1+
					Kb5 5.Nxc7+ Qxc7 6.Rxc7 Kb6 7.Qb8
					Kb5 8.Rxb7+ Kc5 9.Qxa7+ Kc6 10.Qb6#
1:37	4/12	Mate08	46192867	1...Rxc3 2.Qxg8+ Kd7 3.Rh7+ Kc6
					4.Qc8+ Kb5 5.bxc3 Qxc3 6.a4+ Kb6
					7.Qxc3 Ka6 8.Qb4 d5 9.Qb5#
1:41	4/12	Mate08	48207335	1...Qe5 2.Qxg8+ Kd7 3.Rh7+ Qe7
					4.Rxe7+ Kxe7 5.Qg7+ Kd8 6.Nd5 Rc1+
					7.Kxc1 b5 8.Qc7+ Ke8 9.Qe7#
1:43	4/12	Mate06	49844606	1...Qxa2+ 2.Kxa2 Bf7 3.Rh8+ Ke7
					4.Rxc8 Ke6 5.Nd5 Kd7 6.Qxf7+ Kxc8
					7.Qc7#


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