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Subject: Re: Shredder 8 with nonsense mate in 153 announcement

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 02:31:42 01/18/04

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On January 17, 2004 at 19:17:13, F. Huber wrote:

>On January 17, 2004 at 18:10:44, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On January 17, 2004 at 12:45:30, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On January 17, 2004 at 07:59:09, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 17, 2004 at 06:07:33, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 16, 2004 at 19:06:21, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]2r1k1b1/pp4Q1/3p4/q5p1/4P3/1PN2P2/PP6/1K5R b - - 0 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. +- (#153): 33...Lf7 34.Th8+ Ke7 35.Txc8 d5 36.Sxd5+ Kd6 37.Dxf7 De1+ 38.Tc1
>>>>>>Dc3 39.bxc3 b5 40.Dxa7 Kc6 41.Dc7#
>>>>>>2. +- (#151): 33...Tc7 34.Dxg8+ Kd7 35.Sd5 Tc2 36.Th7+ Kc6 37.Dc8+ Dc7 38.Txc7+
>>>>>>Kb5 39.Kxc2 a5 40.Dxb7#
>>>>>>3. +- (#7): 33...De5 34.Dxg8+ Kd7 35.Th7+ De7 36.Txe7+ Kxe7 37.Dxc8
>>>>>
>>>>>Harald,
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you proof your claim?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed :)
>>>>
>>>>Sure.
>>>>33...Lf7 34.Th8+ Ke7 35.Txc8 d5 36.Sxd5+ Kd6 37.Dxf7 De1+ 38.Tc1 Dc3 39.bxc3 b5
>>>>40.Dxa7 Kc6 41.Dc7# is #8, not #153
>>>>
>>>>33...Tc7 34.Dxg8+ Kd7 35.Sd5 Tc2 36.Th7+ Kc6 37.Dc8+ Dc7 38.Txc7+ Kb5 39.Kxc2 a5
>>>>40.Dxb7# is #7, not #151.
>>>>
>>>>Do you count 151 or 153 moves in those mate lines? ;-)))
>>>
>>>
>>>You did not give proof that there is no mate in 153! :)
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>
>>No, I gave only the proof that the given mating line is a mate in 8 and not a
>>mate in 153 as Shredders eval suggests... ;)
>>
>>For the record: I don't consider this a serious bug. It is just a minor flaw the
>>user should be aware of.
>
>Hello Harald,
>
>you are in ´good company´ with Shredder 8 ;-) -
>both of you are wrong!
>
>After 33...Lf7 it´s NOT #8 (your wrong guess)
>After 33...Tc7 it´s NOT #7 (------ " -------)
>After 33...De5 it´s NOT #7 (Shredders guess) ---> is indeed #8
>
>I´ve tested all three moves (33...) with ChestUCI, and all of those three
>pvs are not correct -
>so not only Shredder but also you must have a bug. ;-)
>
>Regards,
>Franz.


No bug. I have just counted Shredders moves in the mate lines. They provide the
information I showed you. Seems as you don't get the point. No matter if you
count 7 or 8 moves in Shredders displayed mate lines, it is FAR less and
absolutely different from the given eval of #153 or #151.




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