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Subject: Re: define Clones - MY definition / Ethical Background

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 04:53:21 01/29/04

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On January 29, 2004 at 06:59:52, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>
>> Bob Hyatt made the neccessary comments. But as it seems nobody listens or
>> wants to listen.
>
>I haven't seen it - I do not follow every discussion at CCC -> thats simply to
>much to read each day...


But this is an easy one. Just download yourself the archives and search it with
Andreas prog. Offline Reader. BTW Bob did NOT say that the exclusion after no
answer came in, was absolutely impossible. This is not the problem. The problem
is the handling of the case during tournament and then 3 rounds before the end.
THIS is impossible how they handled it. And you were on board. No protest???


>
>>> It was neither weak nor pseudo ! For programmers it was enough to get
>>> suspicious.
>
>> But it was so weak that the one who brought up these suspicions is still
>> anonymously hiding. Why? If the case is so clear?
>
>It is his decision... I understand this -> he has not done anything wrong - he
>did feel uncomfortable with one of the participants and ask the TD how to handle
>this... What else should he do ?
>And now he does hide - the reason is also simple: He does not want to get kicked
>ass from persons like you... for not having done anything wrong - at least from
>my point of view...


Dear Thomas, I can tell you what he should do in case of such uncomfort! He
should seek the help of a psychologist like me. But accusing someone who's not
there and makes his examinations and then forcing the TD to throw him out this
is bad. But uncomfort is normal and allowed. I would also be very uncomfortable
if I would lose games and would have to say bye to the top.




>
>>> Of course it is unsure what a professional would do in such a situation -
>>> well, so far it did not happen... (Maybe I am wrong and Bob can tell us
>>> some story's from history)
>
>> Thomas, this is indecent. And I tell you why. Because Bob already made things
>> clear enough but you and the ICGA won't listen.
>
>Where ? As I already said - I did not read everything here... I simply can't...
>so show me please !


Again the Search also ONLINE available is fantastic. You really should do that.

I can only tell you that this problem of clones is well a real problem but it
must be solved in a different way. I will write a message later. But one thing
is clear. You will always only LATER make your decisions. Not on a fly.



>
>Well, there is something which should definitely be changed. For the
>championship one of the team member must be at the tournament site... No
>Operators allowed at all anymore... And the team member must be experienced
>enough to explain questions and source to the TD... Any new or old Organisation
>should handle it that way... Operators are a real problem - also the experience
>of the CCTs show this...


I agree.



>Who is JC by the way ?


I thought you had understood the typo. I see only you three who must be sauer
like Sauermilk, Quark, Sjeng and Diep. :))

Best,
Rolf



>
>Greets, Thomas



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