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Subject: Re: JUNIOR 5.0 vs CM6000

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 16:38:42 12/03/98

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On December 02, 1998 at 16:05:53, Dan Kiski wrote:

>On December 02, 1998 at 13:44:08, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 1998 at 13:32:15, Joe T. Pangilinan wrote:
>>
>>> Is the CM6000 set to Pilz setting to give it the maximum strength or the
>>>default CM setting?
>>
>>Hello Joe,
>>It is set to the default settings with the exception of setting the hash table
>>size to "26"  which I believe is 64 meg of hash tables.  I have seen no "Proof"
>>of the Pilz settings working with CM6000.  Since it's pretty new I haven't heard
>>of anyone proving that the default settings are not the best.  I'll go with the
>>programmer untill someone can prove different.
>>Jim Walker
>
>
>Jim,
>
>As has been proved countless times and posted over and over here and at other
>boards, the Pilz settings far exceed the CM default settings.
>
>As far as Hash table size why on earth would you set to 26?.
>
>And following which I posted just a couple of days ago.
>I do have results:
>
>Two identical P233 MMX machines both 64 meg ram. Hash as 24.
>All games played from the John Nunn test positions available form Chessbase.
>
>I used the Faber\Pilz settings on Chessmaster since I have tried all other
>settings found on the net, and tried modified home settings and found that
>Faber\Pilz settings beat everything.
>
>Chessmaster 5500 Faber\Pilz v Chessmaster 6000 Faber\Pilz.
>Time 2 hrs per game.
>CM 5500  17 V 23 CM 6000
>
>Time 1 hr per game.
>CM 5500  16 V 24 CM 6000
>
>Time 30 secs move
>CM 5500  18 V 22 CM 6000
>
>Time 15 secs move
>CM 5500  15 V 25 CM 6000
>
>It is my opinion that CM 6000 using Faber\Pilz settings is the strongest
>available commercial chess program. I also own and have played the CM 6000
>against Fritz 5 and Rebel 10, and find that the CM 6000 will win my similar
>margins as those quoted against the CM 5500.
>
>I do however look forward to Fritz 5.32 and am eager to try it against CM 6000
>Faber\Pilz.
>
>Dan Kiski.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Dan,
I'm new to this site (2 months) so forgive me if I haven't discovered everything
that went before me.
First of all the hash table setting of 26 enables 64 meg of hash tables.  I have
test this setting and found it speeds up Chessmaster 5500 by a factor of
anywhere from 5% to 300%(Middle game to endgame).  I assumed the CM6K is
similar.  So my question is why not?

I have a question for you.  What did you prove by playing the CM5500F/P vs the
CM6K F/P ?  I assume the CM6K is stronger than the CM5500 anyway so your results
would be expected even without the F/P settings.  In other words you may have
decreased/increased the strength of both programs with the settings but you
can't prove which way.  As I said I have not seen any "Proof" that those
settings are better than the programmers original settings.  I'm not saying it's
not possible but I prefer to deal with a known quantity(The original software).
Also, I'm slowly starting to admit that CM6K is stronger than Junior5 but I
haven't played enough games to prove that and I doubt that I will.  I'm very
sure CM6K is in the same league with J5/F5 but I'm playing the games for the
"fun of it" and that's all.  I'm sharing the games with people on this site
because I believe others will enjoy seeing what I'm seeing.  I think programs
that this evenly matched would take many hundreds of games to sort out who is
the strongest.  I'm more interested in the styles of play and I love it when a
program announces "Mate in 12".  They are playing way over my head but I can
still enjoy the games.  I hope others will too.  I know most people don't have
the time to do this and that's why I'm doing it.
Jim Walker



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