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Subject: Re: Question for Hyatt about Alpha/Beta

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:35:56 02/05/04

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On February 05, 2004 at 13:45:42, Tord Romstad wrote:

>On February 05, 2004 at 13:31:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>I disagree.  your approach doesn't catch all cases either.  The one I gave
>>previously is one example.  with pawns at f7 g6 and h7, a rook on the g-file is
>>not a serious threat unless you push your own f and h pawns to try to attack
>>that g-pawn.  But once it goes away we both notice it is good.  So we both are
>>going to miss some things, and it is just a matter of picking which you like
>>best.  I didn't choose to not do mobility for rooks because of the cost.  I
>>didn't like some of the moves it produces.  IE unnecessary pawn advances, or not
>>liking rooks side-by-side because they interfere with mobility, etc...
>
>It seems to me that the real problem was that your rook mobility evaluation
>was too primitive.  If done right, evaluating rook mobility shouldn't
>usually cause unnecessary pawn advances.  Such advances would give the rook
>a few more squares to move to, but these squares will typically not be
>very useful for the rook, and therefore shouldn't increase the rook
>mobility eval (at least not by much).  The important thing is how many
>important squares the rook is able to reach or attack quickly without losing
>material, and not the total number of squares the rook attacks.  All squares
>are not equal.
>
>Rooks side by side also shouldn't interfere with mobility.  X-ray
>attacks should be considered as part of the mobility eval.
>
>Tord


I can think of a dozen exceptions.  Rook at e1, bishop at f1, but the bishop at
f1 can't move as my pawn at g2 is attacked twice by my opponent.  Etc...  I
simply hope the search is up to sorting those kinds of details out, where years
ago I had to evaluate them due to the shallow search depths we were getting.



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