Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:53:01 02/10/04
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On February 10, 2004 at 08:02:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On February 09, 2004 at 23:07:02, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On February 09, 2004 at 08:39:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On February 08, 2004 at 22:50:05, Mike Byrne wrote: >>> >>>>If case you have not figured this out by now, my intent it to continue with >>>>posting all 11 of the Nolot positions, dig up the game score from the actual >>>>game -- post the orginal comments made by Pierre Nolot (original author of the >>>>article where these positions were discussed) and Feng-Hsiung Hsu, Deep Blue >>>>Inventor, who was preparing Deep Thought/Deep Blue for the match with Kasparov >>>>that was to come in 1995 and took a keen interest in these positions. He >>>>believed that if Deep Blue were able to solve these type of positions quickly, >>>>Deep Blue would have a very good shot at defeating Kasparov. It is interesting >>>>to see what today's software on fast hardware think of these positions. >>>> >>>>So far these posts have gone very well and I appeciate everyone who has >>>>particpated in this excercise. >>>> >>>>Nolot #3 is a semi-controversial position as there are many doubters that the >>>>claimed winning move is truly a forced win. When one also considers the nearly >>>>200 point in the ratings of the particpants, it easier to understand why the >>>>favored player, GM Sergey Smagin, now 47, played the daring and very complicated >>> >>>[d]r2qk2r/ppp1b1pp/2n1p3/3pP1n1/3P2b1/2PB1NN1/PP4PP/R1BQK2R w - - bm Nxg5; 3 >>>f3g5 >>> >>>I have studied it too and came to the conclusion that Nxg5 is a beautiful and >>>very deep win. Nothing controversial about it. >> >>It certainly was a beautiful (and deep) win. That one of the reasons why I >>posted the game behind the position! I'm convinced that white wii get at least >>1/2 point and maybe the whole - I'm not convinced that it is 100% certain - but >>it may be. >> >> >>> >>>Please realise Feng-Hsiung Hsu has a rating of a 1000 points or so and his thing >>>positional 2000 or so. He doesn't realize of course that black effectively is >>>not playing after Nxg5. >> >>Relevancy please. Hsu had access to many GMs since they were hired as >>consultants for thw project. I'll take Hsu and against you in any chess related >>matter if he has full access to 3 or 4 GM's as he did on the project. > >So you prefer the judgement of a 600 rated (thank Uri for bringing him down) I did not say 600 rated. 1)If I do not know about his rating it does not mean that he has no rating 2)I know about players who got performance of more than 1800 in their first tournament so you simply know nothing about the level of players who never competed in tournaments. >amateur who *possibly* has asked for the head nodding of a GM, using a program >which positional of course was at most 2000 rated and operated in textmode by >that 600 rated guy (way to proof something to be correct or incorrect). >Additionally he has not written down how much time he spent on this and he would >have cried of course loud when some GM's helped him here. > >You prefer this judgement above a FM who with graphical programs and a board has >studied this position for a full day. Most notably someone who by world top >correspondence players get asked for help in their correspondence games thanks >to my analytical powers, note that i would have been in utmost world top >correspondence myself when i would not have started with DIEP. I never asked you for advice in my correspondence games and I will never ask for it. advice of computers is enough for me to win most of my games (+6 =2 so far in the preliminary olympiad board 6 of Israel). Uri
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