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Subject: Re: Not impressed with Hydra: Crafty would Crush Hydra in tourney

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:36:17 02/18/04

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On February 18, 2004 at 21:18:47, Arturo Ochoa wrote:

>On February 18, 2004 at 14:25:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2004 at 14:01:31, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2004 at 10:51:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 18, 2004 at 08:02:24, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 18, 2004 at 02:38:12, C McClain Morris, Jr. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Please don't quote that crap here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Show up with crafty at the world champs or shut up.
>>>>
>>>>Show up at cct-7 or shut up, maybe???
>>>>
>>>
>>>The reason why Diep did not showed up ay CCT6 was I could not operate Diep
>>>during that weekend. Vincent could not operate it either.
>>
>>No, the reason he didn't show up is that he is a chicken.
>>
>>After all, that is the reason he keeps saying I don't make it to a WCCC/WMCCC
>>event.  Not the problem with the cost and time.
>>
>>So why do I buy _his_ excuse???
>
>Your personal battle with Diepeveen is not my problem, so it is not relevant or
>me if you like to continues your children battle. The relevance was to point out
>the reason why Diep was not present in CCT6. Period.
>
>If you telll me that I am a lier at first. What good think can I think of you
>(despite of I have never written any negative comment of Crafty in this Forum)?
>

Please re-read what I wrote.  I think most anyone here would recognize the
sarcasm, because if you had been following various discussions, Omid, Vincent,
others always do this "he is afraid to come as he will get killed." I've said
many times, I am not afraid to come, I can't afford the time to come.  So I
thought I would make the point that Vincent doesn't get off that easily, since
when I don't go to a WCCC, I am afraid of losing, but when he doesn't play in a
CCT which requires no travel or expense, it is reasonable.

I don't care who plays or doesn't play.  I play when I can.  And I don't when I
can't, and whether I win or lose or I think I will win or lose has _nothing_ to
do with my decision...


>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps, you are fullful of free time, but I must have a fulltime job in
>>>Venezuela to get a good salary.
>>
>>Damn, that never occurred to me.  I mean, when I said that I can't take off two
>>weeks to attend an event in Europe, you (and others) assume it is because I
>>don't think I have a chance of winning.
>>
>
>No, I have not assumed anything. It is an idiocy to say that I have assumed
>something that I have never said. You seemed not to understand what I said: You
>are fortunated that you can have free time to compete in chess Tournament. I
>cannot do that in Venezuela for the known reasons.

Sorry, I really wasn't addressing that to you.  Again, several have suggested I
don't go to ECCA events because I don't think I can win.  I was just making a
sarcastic response with the intent to show that there _are_ other reasons
besides "fear" why someone doesn't participate...




>
>>Yet this event was on a weekend, required no travel, no expense, etc.
>>
>>So when I can't come it is because I don't think I can win.  When you can't
>>come, your reason is "good enough"???
>>
>>The logic escapes me...
>>
>
>This is garbage because I have not declared such thing, Hyatt. So, be more
>careful to the person with you have your street fight.

Sorry, but you have to read carefully here.  I was not responding _directly_ to
you, although you could certainly take it that way, but it wasn't intended.
Remember that this is a message board where _many_ read.  My response was really
meant to be directed toward those that continue to repeat the idiocy that I
wouldn't attend because I would get killed.  I think CCT6 shows that I certainly
have a chance to win any event I play in, while I can also lose every game also.
 Nothing is a certainty, regardless of what Vincent claims...



>
>
>
>>>
>>>The matter: The declaration that Crafty can crush Hydra is a nonsense. I could
>>>only conclude that after a long match with clear facts. Such Match has ever been
>>>showed?
>>
>>I didn't make the statement.  I will make the statement that Hydra won't "crush"
>>crafty.  Given an 8-way opteron I am not even sure it would win a long match
>>against Crafty, in fact...
>>
>>
>
>Again: I did not say that you declare something. Why do you feel that I am
>attaking you?


I didn't say anything about being attacked, I hope.  You mentioned the
declaration, I pointed out I didn't make it, and didn't particularly believe it
either...


>I only said: "The declaration that Crafty can crush Hydra is a
>nonsense. could only conclude that after a long match with clear facts. Such
>Match has ever been showed?" I have not mentioned that you said that.
>
>>>
>>>Again, CCT cannot be compared to a live Tournament such as Paderborn. The CCT
>>>time control is faster than the Paderborn Time Control. Second, every game is
>>>run automately. On the contrary, in Paderborn, the operator variable can be a
>>>major problem.
>>
>>That shows a _weakness_ of Paderborn, not a strength.  Why should the operator
>>have any influence at all in a "computer chess tournament"???
>
>Right and obvious: a bad operator can make disaster with a chess program (I
>think that something similar happened with Crafty in some CCT Tournament, could
>you remember what Edition of CCT (CCT4!?)?

Not that I recall, I believe I did every CCT myself, and I have _always_ run
automated in them with no problems.  There were problems at the 1997 WMCCC event
in Paris, but I don't remember what Jason encountered.  I do know he had
problems in the blitz event, but I really didn't care...


>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I have seen all the time how Diepeveen and you, Hyatt,  keep a continuous
>>>battle. It should be bettter that you solved all your differences in private
>>>emails. It is already boring to read two children quarreling in writing
>>>mode.....
>>>
>>>Regards, Arturo Ochoa M.
>>
>>I generally don't start 'em...
>
>Well, it seems to be that it is not true at all because you feel attacked here
>when my intention was not that. Then, who misunderstood the message?
>
>Regards, Arturo.

Perhaps both of us?



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