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Subject: Re: Computer chess game option

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:35:29 02/24/04

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On February 24, 2004 at 14:43:05, Ed Panek wrote:

>On February 24, 2004 at 14:21:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 24, 2004 at 13:43:41, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>
>>>On February 24, 2004 at 13:10:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 24, 2004 at 12:05:39, Ed Panek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 23, 2004 at 23:29:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 23, 2004 at 16:12:49, Ed Panek wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 23, 2004 at 14:52:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2004 at 11:26:38, Ed Panek wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2004 at 11:09:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2004 at 10:45:47, Ed Panek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering about trying something on ICC regarding playing a GM using
>>>>>>>>>>>multiple computers and choosing moves based upon plurality of several engines
>>>>>>>>>>>analyzing at once.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Do you think this is feasable on ICC?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I would front the $$ to obtain participation from the GM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You have to do it manually.  IE you log on, and with 2-3 computers behind you,
>>>>>>>>>>you watch them and make the move of your choosing, then override the others so
>>>>>>>>>>that they maintain the correct position.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Or you could use some sort of interface that lets you have different programs
>>>>>>>>>>log on using different accounts, and they "observe" your account playing the GM.
>>>>>>>>>> Then you can just watch their analysis and choose the move you like best, and
>>>>>>>>>>they get forced to play the right move and follow the game automatically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm not sure of the point in doing this, however..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It would be purely for entertainment value. It would not have to do with the
>>>>>>>>>move I like best, but the move which has the most consensus among the 4 or 5
>>>>>>>>>programs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Something tells me that in tactical positions, they will almost agree perfectly,
>>>>>>>>while in positional cases, each program will suggest a _different_ best move.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What if I arranged a GM to play your 4 way opteron at standard times? Would you
>>>>>>>be open to that idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps, but it would take some preparation.  IE I don't have a 4-way opteron at
>>>>>>the moment, that machine was out at AMD, and they put in a DSL connection for me
>>>>>>to access the machine.  The DSL is gone.  I could probably convince them to do
>>>>>>it again...
>>>>>
>>>>>Thats fine. If you can obtain the use of the 4 way again, I will take care of
>>>>>having a GM perform. Is that acceptable?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sure.  Give me some sort of target time-frame to ask for...
>>>
>>>
>>>See if they'll let you use an 8 (or 16) this time.  Could be some good marketing
>>>spin for them if the match is advertised.
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>There is a good chance for an 8-way box.  I'm not sure if they have any 16-way
>>boxes there, although they might approach Sun or another vendor that is going to
>> ship them at some point in time..
>
>8 way? How would the estimated performance of that be for crafty?
>
>ICC has been notified and they are helping obtain a GM with our terms.
>
>
>
>Ed

Figure about 1.7 x faster in speedup compared to the quad opteron, also figure
around 16-20M nodes per second.  It will be a handful...



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