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Subject: Re: The game is on!

Author: martin fierz

Date: 07:49:13 03/16/04

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On March 16, 2004 at 09:59:33, martin fierz wrote:

>On March 15, 2004 at 17:23:32, Steven Edwards wrote:
>
>>On March 15, 2004 at 16:52:40, martin fierz wrote:
>>>On March 15, 2004 at 16:38:53, Steven Edwards wrote:
>>
>>>>Hmmn.  Maybe I should offer a wager or two here to the doubters.  Like, if I
>>>>can't get this to work, then I'll stop complaining about the mundane nature of
>>>>traditional A/B searchers; if I do get it too work, each doubter can send me a
>>>>new battery for one of my Macintosh notebooks.  (Approx. US$150 each.)
>>>
>>>i'll accept the wager, but you have to define "can't get this to work" a bit
>>>more clearly for me. e.g. IIRC your list had an item "become world champion",
>>>and i would accept that you had "got it to work" long before that.
>>>for me, the getting it to work part has to be spelled out as some kind of rating
>>>level - what do you think? what level would you specify?
>>
>>Well, first let's hope our board sponsor won't get upset with a little gambling.
>>
>>I posted the primary and secondary goals back last month but can't find the CCC
>>reference.  So you are welcome to read them again from the entry 2004.02.19 in
>>my journal:
>>
>>http://www.livejournal.com/users/chessnotation/
>>
>>Point #8 in the primary goal set (combined with #12) is what I claim to be
>>sufficient for proof of concept, and I'll make the output public for inspection.
>
>i'm still not clear on what this means - because in a post further down this
>thread you start talking about 3 min/move for a test suite.
>
>goal number 5 was: "Limitation of the search node count to a mean of one
>thousand."
>
>i don't know how long symbolic will need to achieve this, but isn't it it sort
>of a contradiction to have either a number of nodes or a time limit?!
>
>you also state
>
>>I'll claim that #19 is satisfied if Symbolic can solve at least 200 of
>>WAC, 667 of WCSAC, and 667 of BWTC with a mean time limit of 180 seconds
>>per position on hardware roughly equal to #11 (400 MHz PPC with 256 MByte
>>RAM and 10 GByte disk).
>
>which i don't know of whether it's true. i only know WAC of these test suites,
>and it is really easy (most decent programs solve nearly everything in sight
>(290/300 or more) in 1-3 seconds on modern computers).
>
>achieving a certain rating in real OTB tournaments is near impossible, but
>getting your thing to play on ICC / FICS is real easy. i would suggest a
>2000-2100 average blitz rating as a sensible level for our bet. (ICC rating is
>inflated by 200 points at least). however, since you want to search 1000 nodes
>for a 3-minute think, you'd have to limit yourself to much less for blitz - i'd
>say something like 5 nodes/sec maximum - this should be more than most humans
>can achieve.
>
>cheers
>  martin

or, to make this more personal: if symbolic doesn't lose a 2-game match at
G/30+small increment against me on ICC, searching no more than 1000 nodes per
move on average, you win. deal?

cheers
  martin



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