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Subject: Re: Free Programs of today are better than Commercial were 3 years ago !

Author: Tord Romstad

Date: 15:41:16 03/24/04

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On March 24, 2004 at 18:23:48, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 24, 2004 at 17:30:20, Tord Romstad wrote:
>
>>On March 24, 2004 at 15:42:18, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>You might be coreect to say that Ruffian 1.0.1 might be the only one that has a
>>>chance, but I will stop this current match between Yace Paderborn vs Gothmog and
>>>I will test Gothmog versus Fritz 6 at G/60 just to get an idea :-)
>>
>>Larry is right.  Gothmog has no chance whatsoever against Fritz 6, and
>>will be completely crushed.
>
>Wrong and you know it is wrong,
>
>Why do you always underestimate your engine?
>Maybe it is weaker than Fritz6(I am not sure about it) but even in this case it
>certainly has chances.

In a single game, yes.  In a long match, there is no doubt that F6 would win by
a clear
margin.

>  If Gothmog managed to score 50% against
>>the old Fritz 3, I would be pleasantly surprised.
>
>I will also be surprised if it scores only 50% against Fritz3.
>I expect it to do better.

When I think about it, it is possible that the result against F3 would depend to
a
great extent on the hardware used.  F3 is an assembly language program optimized
for old Pentium and 486 processors, and it is possible that it performs very
badly
on modern hardware.  But if you run both engines on a Pentium 90MHz, I would
be really surprised to see Gothmog win.

>>There are at least a couple of dozen amateur engines which are clearly
>>stronger than Gothmog.
>
>I do not think so.
>There are many engines at similiar strength.
>some may be slightly stronger than gothmog but based on the results that I see
>no amateur engine is clearly stronger than Gothmog.

It depends on your definition of "clearly".  You are right that they are
sufficiently close
that a considerable number of games is needed in order to make statistically
significant
conclusions.

>  And Yace is one of them, despite your match result
>>between Gothmog and Yace.
>
>No
>
>I read about other tournaments when gothmog scored better than Yace.

Some tournaments, yes.  The engines are close enough that everything is possible
in short matches and tournaments.

Tord




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