Author: Oliver Y.
Date: 23:28:26 12/11/98
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On December 11, 1998 at 10:49:19, Matthew Herman wrote: >On December 11, 1998 at 08:48:43, Oliver Y. wrote: > >>On December 10, 1998 at 08:48:56, Matthew Herman wrote: >> >>>On December 10, 1998 at 08:47:02, Matthew Herman wrote: >>> >>>>On December 09, 1998 at 23:04:45, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 09, 1998 at 20:39:03, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>What a frustrating game!! I've started playing on the ICC again after a long >>>>>>lay-off, and 3 different times I've gotton a 2200+ rating, only too lose again, >>>>>>and not be able to easily get it back. >>>>>> >>>>>>Reading chess books doesn't help. Studying chess software doesn't help. Even >>>>>>yelling at my computer doesn't help, I still suck! (by my own standards of what >>>>>>is a decent level). Soon I'll be moving back to Levittown, NY, commuting to the >>>>>>City to play in the Friday night rapids, and then continueing the chess >>>>>>addiction on the ICC. Maybe that will help - Well, I can dream can't I? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I totally hear you! I never really played blitz games just standard games. >>>>>A little over a year ago I started Blitz/lightning games I was not good I gained >>>>>200pts and stopped cold on blitz and bullet 100 to 150pts ): >>>>>but that was in the first 4mths and now nothing!! its like my brain just won't >>>>>think any quicker, and you can go over games that you play do everything till >>>>>your blue in the face!one day your hot and next your cold!! I like standard time >>>>>controls! Another thing I do not like is loosing at blitz/bullet and when asked >>>>>your rating you have to choke out your master level and wait to "see" the >>>>>laughter :)))))!! I do think however that when faced with life size pieces and >>>>>over the board, it would be better because I do not like 2D or 3D pieces,also I >>>>>loose a real lot on time,and how can someone move 5 times in like a second!! >>>>> >>>>>>mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On December 09, 1998 at 19:23:45, Reynolds Takata wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>It's sort of off topic, but then againit does have to do with internet chess and >>>>>>>people practicing blitz with comps. I have noticed that on Fics and ICC there >>>>>>>are people with up to 30,000 blitz games, yet most of them barely have ratings >>>>>>>over 2000, so does all of that practice actually help? And yes they were around >>>>>>>the same rating when they started it appears. >>>> >>>>As a note.. I am mathman on ICC (I started at about 1500 blitz, bullet, standard >>>>about a year or 2 ago (probably because I lost lots of provisional games). Now I >>>>am 2300 Blitz & Bullet and 2100 Standard. I find if you really try to improve >>>>you can. (I have played about 4000 Blitz Games). And moving 5 moves per second >>>>is *very* easy :-) Used to be able to move in 0.0 but the server code was >>>>changed to disallow that. >>>> >>>>Matt >>> >>>As a minor note in this same period my WBCA is now 2200 and my uscf has gone >>>from 1400-2000. And I am on a uscf top 50 list.. I really think that it CAN help >>>improve your game. >> >>Matt, this is no minor note! Please add any qualitative comments/suggestions as >>to how to improve. >> >>Could you observe yourself changing what you thought, was it a more simple >>matter of gaining that storehouse of patterns you could recognize? >> >>Were you playing over-the-board (competitive/club) chess concurrently? >> >>Were you playing much with any programs? >> >>Is your experience largely transferable to the vast majority of players? I >>assume so, and if so, what advice besides "keep it up" would you suggest? >> >>My guess is to ignore the ego's beating when losing early and often... >> >>Bullet is infuriating, but I don't shy away from it... >>I recall playing those Eastern Europeans and Russians in blitz tournaments--it >>is a marvel just to see humans move physical pieces in 230 milliseconds... >> >>Do you drag or click-click to move? What percentage of your moves are cursor >>ready prior to the opponents move? >> >>Thanks, Yoda! > >I have noticed that online "blitz" chess (which basically to me is that 3 0 >online == to 5 0 otb) GREATLY can improve your tactical play. You must force >yourself to see tactics within milliseconds. I drag with the mouse (of course >before the server code was changed I once plaed a 250 move bullet game for "fun" >( 1 0) chess purists may think its worthless but I was testing a new mouse out)) >Bullet is VERY infuriating to lose a game that you are up a queen.. or lose on >time with mate in 1. But it makes yu come back.. Basically bullet is mouse >moving though you see lots of sharp openings and interesting tactics. OTB I am >not too shabby otb in blitz either.. 3 years ago at US Open Blitz (at midnight >no less) I was on board 4 !! playing a SM .. had winning positions in both games >but lost on time and was mated in the other.. so that was interesting.. > >What do you mean playing with any programs? To cheat? No of course not. This is the sole question that keeps me on topic: I meant supplementing your ICC play at separate occasions with computer program use. For instance, do you enjoy playing blitz against your programs? Studying, analyzing with them? If so, how much time per week? etc. Of course, I didn't mean the offensive interpretation of the question! >When you start you will invariably lose a WHOLE ton. But yes you have to just >keep whacking at it. Though it is only "online" and not "real" chess it also >helps to imrpove your theoretical knowledge! Observing GMs play.. playing GMs! So it seems that you have to take whoever is willing to play when your rating is low to start, that means mostly watching GMs instead of playing them...paying your dues, right? How many months/years before GMs would play you regularly? >(a few scalps .. most notably GM Dlugy (about 3000 blitz on icc and in the top 5 >I think in the world otb))) you pickup knowledge on openings that you never even >saw before! For instance I would play one of my lines then get caught off guard >and lose .. then i see I have to add something against that to my repetoire (if >its a legitimate move).. You can't get discouraged otherwise you'll quit >immediately.. or just stop playing good players.. One of my friends may be the >"30000 blitz games" player that had been talked about (Holt on ICC). >Alot of play yes.. but improving chess is more important than improving your >blitz rating! Positional play lags in blitz on ICC (or fics,chessnet etc..))it Lags? Can you explain this expression? >wont HURT your positional but your Tactical play will improve somewhat.. > >Also if on ICC take advantage of play the master on sundays, IM Schroer's simuls >on teusdays *all free to members*. I give simuls on-line and recently beat an IM >!! (Who was playing in the simul). > >If you want more information about this I'll continue to post, but here is one >nice game I played recently .. that shows the "tacticalness" of online games > >[Event "ICC r 3 0"] >[Site "Internet Chess Club"] >[Date "1998.12.09"] >[Round "-"] >[White "kabayo"] >[Black "mathman"] >[WhiteElo "2019"] >[BlackElo "2338"] >[Result "0-1"] > >1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 >6. Be2 e5 7. Nb3 Be7 8. O-O Be6 9. Be3 O-O 10. g4 Nc6 >11. g5 Nd7 12. Qd2 b5 13. Nd5 f6 14. Nxe7+ Qxe7 15. f4 exf4 >16. Bxf4 Nde5 17. gxf6 Qxf6 18. Bg3 Qg6 19. Nd4 Nxd4 20. Qxd4 Bh3 >21. Rf2 Rxf2 22. Qxf2 Rf8 23. Qe3 Ng4 24. Qb3+ Kh8 25. Qd3 d5 >26. exd5 Qb6+ 27. Kh1 Rf2 28. Bf3 Rxh2+ 29. Bxh2 Nf2+ 30. Kg1 Nxd3+ >31. Kh1 Qf2 32. Be4 Ne1 33. Bg1 Qf1 34. Kh2 Bc8 0-1 > > >Matt Thanks again for any info... BTW, I've found wild 8 version analysis with computer indeed shows that 1. de5 is the best opening move, but who knows what the truth is? I prefered 1. cd5 myself... I believe this game is won for white anyhow. I have a great variant for chess, but alas, would anyone care to program for it? 1. Start with empty board. All chess rules apply with the following modifications... 2. Take turns parachuting or moving a piece/pawn. 3. Parachuting can only be done on your half of the board, the RIVER denotes the midline. Pawns can't parachute to the first rank, you can't allow check, obviously, while parachuting, but you may block checks with parachuting. 4. You can't move any piece across the river unless you have your king on the board. 5. Once a piece is captured, it is gone from the game. 6. I am agnostic about castling, so let's allow it a la Fischer random rules... I've attempted to combine chinese chess, western chess, and shogi in this variant. I asked at ICC if they'd put me in touch with any programmers who were enabling wild variants there. They said forget it, basically. I find it fascinating, but few masters are willing to surrender their investment in their pattern storehouse/opening knowledge to give it a try. Try it. Tell me that it is not superior to any of the wild variants out there!
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