Author: Uri Blass
Date: 19:25:26 04/17/04
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On April 17, 2004 at 21:18:22, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 17, 2004 at 14:19:16, Mark Young wrote: > > >>>>It seems Mr. Ham fell for Ed's PR machine.:) > >>>What..............................? >>> >>>Hey, show a bit more respect for an oldtimer, will you? :) >>> >>>Hey (2), Rebel-Yusupov (1997), hardware P2-266 Mhz (ha ha ha) >>> >>>Hey (3), Rebel-Anand (1998), hardware AMD-450 Mhz (ha ha ha) >>> >>>Hey (4), Anand in 1998 was the world's strongest blitz-player. >>> >>>Hey (5), On all 4 matches it was agreed that the winner of the match was the one >>>with the most points, regardless the time control. > >>I know what was agreed in the match conditions. That is not what we are talking >>about. > >>The point being you can not compare apples and oranges. Standard time controls >>with blitz. And no Anand was not the strongest Blitz-player in the world. Only >>the strongest human blitz player. Computers were stronger then and now then at >>blitz chess. > >At that time? No way. I was much surprised Anand lost the blitz part, and so was >Anand, also the prediction poll showed Rebel was the underdog. > >http://www.rebel.nl/predstat.htm The prediction showed it because people tended to underestimate computers. Predictions also showed in 1997 that kasparov is going to beat deeper blue. Humans for some reason support the humans who do not develop programs so they cannot think objectively. > > > > >>>Hey (6), it made little sense those days to play on 40/2h against a GM, the >>>hardware was much to slow. >> >>Right...So for Mr. Ham to trumpet Rebel's match record with GM Yusupov and GM >>Anand as the best computer record to date was clearly wrong. As you did not even >>play standard time control games. > >That was the first experiment, in those days all comps lost from GM's at 40/2h, >some programs incidently winning some games at blitz on ICC. No surprise as the >fastest hardware was a poor P2-266 in those days. Genius2.9 on p90 already beated kasparov at 25 minute per game in 1994. The result of Genius at that tournament was winning 2-0 against GM nikolich qinning 1.5-0.5 again GM Kasparov and losing 2-0 against GM anand. I rememebr that these 3.5/6 gave it performance of more than 2700 so computers were already GM's at blitz in 1994 with slower hardware. I also do not think that all comps lost from GM's at 40/2 hours. There were simply not many games at this time control. As far as I remember not only Rebel gave GM performance at 90+15 in the last AEGON tournaments and there were many cases when GM's lost against computers (for example GM nunn lost against Genius and 90+15 is almost the same as 120/40 and remember that the hardware that was used was slower than p266). Uri
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