Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:00:42 04/18/04
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On April 18, 2004 at 06:22:29, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 18, 2004 at 02:25:44, Mark Young wrote: > >>In 1992 Kasparov played Fritz 2 in a 5 minute game match in Cologne, Germany. >>Kasparov won the match with 6 wins, 1 draw, and 4 losses. This was the first >>time a program defeated a world champion at speed chess. > >You fail to forget to report the conditions, this was played in a friendly >atmosphere in the home of Friedel, Kasparov behind a PC bungling with a mouse. >Kasparov was furious Friedel to report it. > > >>In 1994 WCHESS became the first computer to outperform grandmasters at the >>Harvard Cup in Boston. > >Agreed. > > >>In 1994 Kasparov lost to Fritz 3 in Munich in a blitz tournament. The program >>also defeated Anand, Short, Gelfand, and Kramnik. Grandmaster Robert Huebner >>refused to play it and lost on forfeit, the first time a GM has forfeited to a >>computer. Kasparov played a second match with Fritz 3, and won with 4 wins, 2 >>draws, and no losses. > >Not serious either, GM's with no experience put behind a PC, the focus was on >how to move the pieces with the mouse rather than playing chess. > >It seems you are the victim of the Friedel PR machine :) > >The blitz matches against Anand / Yusupov were different, the GM behind the >chess board feeling the pieces in his hand, as it should. The computer having >the disadvantage to transfer the moves by an operator losing 1.5-2.5 seconds per >move because of that. > > > >>At the 1994 Intel Speed Chess Grand Priz in London, Kasparov lost to Chess >>Genius 2.95 in a 25 minute game. This eliminated Kasparov from the tournament. > >The Genius victory was indeed a milestone. > > >>The 11th AEGON Computer Chess Tournament (Mankind vs Machine) was held on April >>10-17, 1996 in The Hague, Netherlands. There were 50 masters, International >>Masters, and Grandmasters and 50 computers (most playing on HP Pentium-166 >>machines with 16MB of RAM). Yasser Seirawan won the event with 6 straight wins >>and no losses. The best computer was QUEST, with 4.5/6 and a 2652 performance >>rating. The machines won with 162.5 points versus the humans with 137.5 points. > >I know that but as said before if you collect the overall data Rebel tops. > >Ed The overall data is based on old programs. You can also say that based on the Israeli league if you try to compare programs and not programs+operator shredder4 did better than RebelCentury. RebelCentury performed better against humans but only thanks to operator error that caused shredder to lose on time. I know that it is impossible to eliminate operators(faster operators may give a small advantage relative to slow operators) but I think that when we compare results of programs against humans we should try to do it when we can do it and it is not only against Rebel because the draw of Rebel against sofia polgar in Hague,Netherlands should be counted as a win for comparison. Uri
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