Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 16:10:52 04/29/04
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On April 29, 2004 at 19:06:14, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 17:33:48, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 13:40:33, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2004 at 11:28:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 29, 2004 at 04:09:43, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 19:25:34, ERIQ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 14:30:13, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>The latest and greatest did really well, in the last computer contest. So, will a Windows version (XP or lesser) be made ready for buying? >>>>>> >>>>>>amazing! there is one buyer :) >>>>>> >>>>>>>I have my credit card ready? I can even send a postal order, or cheque! >>>>>> >>>>>>wow!! >>>>>> >>>>>>>It will make a nice addition to an already growing pile of Chess Stuff! >>>>>> >>>>>>not sure why?! but to each his own. >>>>>> >>>>>>IMO. diep couldn't beat it's way out of a paper bag in the middle of a rain >>>>>>storm, what would be the purpose in buying it? >>>>> >>>>>The recent tournaments have shown that Shredder is one leap ahead of all other >>>>>engines. I also know this based on my own experiments, as Shredder 8 is the only >>>>>engine that consistently scores above 50% against Falcon in my tests. >>>> >>>>That is a red flag. If Shredder is the _only_ engine that beats you in your >>>>tests, I'd personally be very concerned that my testing is badly flawed. IE if >>>>you can consistently beat fritz, you are doing something nobody else (except >>>>perhaps shredder) is doing... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>With that in mind, Diep's victory against Shredder is even more remarkable. Diep >>>>>might have also scored against Hydra, had Erdogan's book hadn't knocked out Diep >>>>>already in the opening stage. >>>>> >>>>>With a good book Diep might even pull off some surprises in the upcoming WCCC in >>>>>Israel, especially since it is not running on a massive parallel dinosaur that >>>>>apparently did it more harm than benefit in Graz. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>save you money and get crafty, you'll feel better afterwards :) >>>>> >>>>>Crafty is a great engine, and it is free. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't >>>>>be interested in other grandmaster-strength programs. >>> >>>I have suspicions about Omid's tests :) >>> >>>Before last WCCC he posted some results where Falcon won or drew every match >>>against top programs (4 game matches a 40/2), yet at Graz & CCT6 Falcon's >>>results were rather average. I think you simply cannot compare Fritz's >>>performance on a P3-733 with its performance on a quad xeon. >> >>My tests were conducted on the same hardware (P3 733MHz). In Graz I ran on a P4 >>2.4GHz while other programs benefited from considerably faster machines (in >>addition to parallelism). Additionally, in my tests I used fritz8.ctg for both >>sides. In Graz I used a random generated book which resulted in very poor >>positions for Falcon in almost all games. > >My intent was not to disparage your engine. I just get annoyed when people post >their great private results. I simply said that Shredder is stronger than other engines based on my tests also. If any engine got some praise here, it was Shredder :) >Your results were done using conditions quite >different from tournament play (slow machine, much better book for you). Even if >the conditions were the same, its not polite :) If Falcon has truly improved in >strength considerably, then it will show at WCCC04 in a month or two anyway. > >anthony > >>> >>>Of course, the other possibility is that Omid has bought a dual opteron and >>>worked like mad in secret to improve Falcon during the past months, while >>>attempting to deceive us by posting all his CCC results with his P3. WCCC04 >>>should shed some light on this. >>> >>>anthony
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