Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 16:26:32 04/29/04
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On April 29, 2004 at 18:05:29, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 09:28:53, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 07:37:23, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>[ snips ] >> >>>>This is all very poor Vince, I assume you don't play much with nowadays top >>>>programs. From 1982 to 2001 Rebel won its games by positional understanding and >>>>not by search and Rebel lost its games because it was outsearched. Today Rebel >>>>isn't outsearched at all, it now loses its games because the current top >>>>programs have a better positional understanding than Rebel. >>>> >>>>You should have a good look at the current tops, the positional progress has >>>>been great the last years. To me it all seems to indicate (provided your search >>>>is okay) the only way to make progress is to improve on chess knowledge. But >>>>what's new, I already came to that conclusion in 1986 after some intensive talks >>>>with Hans Berliner. >> >>>What i mean is Ed, is that you would not have accomplished the great results >>>with Rebel which you managed, had you just searched with a fullwidth search + >>>bunch of checks in qsearch. >> >>No of course not, brute force is silly, Rebel since day 1 has been a selective >>program. But I am getting your point, in the days before the nullmove was >>discovered Genius and Rebel had the best (static) selective search, a dominant >>factor in their successes, is that what you meant to say? If so, it is true. >> >>If only Frans had kept his mouth shut to Chrilly (Chrilly leaking nullmove in >>the ICCA journal) it is very likely Fritz would been the next Richard Lang still >>dominating all the rating lists and WCC's for the last decade. But Frans didn't >>and then all bets were off. >Donninger published the article in 1993. Before that, there were two other >publications dealing with null-move: Yes, nullmove as we use it today, the other 2 articles not. Ed >Beal, D.F. (1989). Experiments with the null move. Advances in Computer Chess >5, (Ed. D.F. Beal) , pp. 65--79. > >Goetsch, G. and Campbell, M.S. (1990). Experiments with the null-move heuristic. >Computers, Chess, and Cognition, (Eds. T.A. Marsland and J. Schaeffer), pp. >159--168.
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