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Subject: Re: Objective proposal Falcon - Crafty

Author: Omid David Tabibi

Date: 15:36:39 04/30/04

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On April 30, 2004 at 17:48:18, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On April 30, 2004 at 17:04:18, Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2004 at 10:51:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2004 at 09:25:57, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>
>>>>>If Falcon cannot use parallel hardware then it is not bob's fault.
>>>>
>>>>I never tested Falcon versus Crafty on unequal hardware. All my tests and my
>>>>conclusions are purely based on tests conducted on equal hardware, using one
>>>>processor, and same book.
>>>>
>>>>In my post in this thread
>>>>(http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362197) I only mentioned the
>>>>name "Crafty" in the following paragraph:
>>>>
>>>>"Crafty is a great engine, and it is free. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't
>>>>be interested in other grandmaster-strength programs."
>>>>
>>>>And added that Shredder is stronger than other engines. If someone read that
>>>>differently and jumped to interesting conclusions, it is surely not my problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually it is.  You _specifically_ said that only Shredder is capable of
>>>beating your program.  That _specifically_ suggests that no other commercial
>>>engine can do so.
>>>
>>>That was what I responded to...  I didn't bring Crafty into the discussion.
>>>Vincent did that in his usual "change the subject" form of discussion...
>>
>>
>>Hmm , he mentioned that his program gets consistently beaten for > 50% only by
>>shredder.
>>That does not imply that for all other engines , falcon beats them > 50%
>>For strong engines with decent timecontrols and an ok book (with not many sharp
>>lines) - most games would end in draws.
>>So I dont see anything per se wrong in his statement.
>>Even if fritz cannot beat his program > 50% , it does not imply that fritz is
>>weaker than falcon , the score could be 35% fritz wins , 15% falcon wins and 50%
>>draws !
>>
>>So is it possible that it is you who might have jumped into conclusions ??
>>
>>Mridul
>
>This is getting ridiculous.  What Omid was saying was that, in his own testing,
>Shredder clearly outperforms his program, while other programs don't.  It's
>quite simple, really -- I don't understand why there's a page-long thread about
>it.  One can choose to question his testing methods and/or conditions, but the
>statement itself was reasonably straightforward.

It is amazing how some people read what they read into what is posted.

As Bernard Woolley from the famous "Yes Minister" series said: "Well, thinking
back on what I said, and what they said, and what I said you said, and what they
may say I said you said, or what they may have thought I said I thought you
thought, well, they may say I said I thought you said you thought..."

:)

>
>Dave



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