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Subject: Re: CB product clears opponent's hash tables between moves.

Author: Heiko Mikala

Date: 13:34:39 12/16/98

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Hi Ralph!

On December 16, 1998 at 16:12:22, Ralph E. Carter wrote:
>On December 16, 1998 at 15:39:19, Heiko Mikala wrote:
>>On December 16, 1998 at 15:00:50, Ralph E. Carter wrote:
>>
>>>I'm posting this because I hope everybody knows:
>>>
>>>In the "Fritz" or "Junior" interface, by ChessBase, when it is playing a game
>>>against an "engine" (like hiarcs6.eng), it sends a command to the engine to
>>>clear its hash tables before EVERY move.
>>>
>>>This could be serious, if the engine is one that retains information in the hash
>>>table between moves.
>>>
>>>Even "alt+tab" would be better than this.
>>>
>>>I am not arguing about the technical issues involved.
>>>I just think everyone should be aware of this. Don't you agree?
>>
>>No, because it's only half of the truth. And it's only the case for Winboard-
>>engines running in Fritz. Hiarcs 6 is not a Winboard engine, but it's a real
>>Fritz engine. By the way, as the programmer of a Winboard engine I can
>>assure you, that Fritz doesn't send the command "clear hash tables",
>>although what it really does may have the same effect for many engines.
>>
>>Did you read this in my post here on CCC, or do you have other sources?
>
>A well known expert posted on rgcc that this problem also affects
>hiarcs6 in engine-engine games on one machine. (which is how I have
>used it)
>Whatever the exact details, it should be investigated and people should
>know about it.

O.k., I have to correct myself (the second time today. I should stop posting
here, it only causes trouble ;-)

As I read on rgcc, Amir said that the same is true for all(!) Fritz engines. On
the other hand this would mean that Fritz would have the same problem
too. I'm just saying that, because I fear that my original post could start a
new, endless "Fritz is cheating" debate again.

Greetings,

Heiko.



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